scubascuba3 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I wonder if its the Renting company on Soi 13/2 post office, they are the only one I've seen renting big bikes.Renting a bike should have compulsory 1st class insurance, but you'll be lucky if you get the bog standard insurance which has minimal cover.I have 1st class insurance definitely worth it for a few thousand baht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 hours ago, robblok said: Yes its unacceptable, but not being insured is not a police matter they can fine the guy, but the families need to go in civil court to claim damages. Its not much different in other parts of the world. At least not in my country, its not like the police is going to start a civil case for the victims. The police can only fine them for not having insurance (as has been done) and then its up to the families to do the rest. Since about 20 years Germany has a fund all insurances pay in. In a case like this victims of an uninsured vehicle are fully compensated out of this fund. Then the fund tries to get back the money from the real culprit by civil case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Andersen Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Sorry if anyone have to pay it is the Russian family it is him there kill himself and 2 other people and yes bike rental company need get fine too full insurance for all bike car's jet ski etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borzandy Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 hours ago, webfact said: the rental company had been fined for not having insurance on the bike Great, the police fined the insurance company at least 500 Baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 hours ago, robblok said: Yes its unacceptable, but not being insured is not a police matter they can fine the guy, but the families need to go in civil court to claim damages. Its not much different in other parts of the world. At least not in my country, its not like the police is going to start a civil case for the victims. The police can only fine them for not having insurance (as has been done) and then its up to the families to do the rest. It sucks but its normal procedure, however i expect the guy to move all his possessions to someone else. It seems that all the crooks do that here once they get in trouble. It may not be a police matter in Thailand but it should be. Its certainly a police matter in other countries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Great, the police fined the insurance company at least 500 Baht.They should have checked all bikes and fined for each one, probably loads of them not insured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaos Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 none of this bikes got insurance !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deli Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Big shit, yes. But people (must) know that in countries like this, insurance and street law is an option, not a rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 hours ago, robblok said: Yes its unacceptable, but not being insured is not a police matter they can fine the guy, but the families need to go in civil court to claim damages. Its not much different in other parts of the world. At least not in my country, its not like the police is going to start a civil case for the victims. The police can only fine them for not having insurance (as has been done) and then its up to the families to do the rest. It sucks but its normal procedure, however i expect the guy to move all his possessions to someone else. It seems that all the crooks do that here once they get in trouble. What is said here is correct and I agree with. But what is not reported is how much the company was fined. If it is just a similar amount as paid in compensation (i.e. around 5,000 or less than the cost of insurance) then the only incentive imposed on the company is the risk of loss of bike ! The incentive needs to be intimidating ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 One might think the BIB could check on firms insurance when they come around to collect their brown envelopes except that the brown's contents are there to dissuade any checking up or enforcement of proper laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, rebo said: Since about 20 years Germany has a fund all insurances pay in. In a case like this victims of an uninsured vehicle are fully compensated out of this fund. Then the fund tries to get back the money from the real culprit by civil case. Not only Germany, the Netherlands has a similar fund "waarborgfonds motorverkeer" its a good solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiman123 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Wife’s Thai father killed in hit run...they got him drunk Thai driver...but no money just short jail sentence....crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycallahan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Same goes in the first world usually. The driver/operator is at fault not the equipment provider. This isn't a Thai thing. The Thai thing is unpoliced roads. Where I am the fines for unlicensed, no helmet, very excessive speed would add to more than an average week's income plus future licensing restrictions. Chances of getting caught are high with radars cameras and police who bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombra Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 hours ago, toenail said: Is this photo suppose to make the negligent driver look like a hero by donating 5000 baht? (I bet he spends more than that in one week on eating and drinking --and motorbike rental.) Isn't the negligent motorcyclist dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitestarschool Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 hours ago, toenail said: Is this photo suppose to make the negligent driver look like a hero by donating 5000 baht? (I bet he spends more than that in one week on eating and drinking --and motorbike rental.) I believe the "negligent driver" was killed, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank0424 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Why would they pose with that measly check they received of 5000 baht for the loss of a loved one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukehina1 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Peterw42 said: The negligent driver is dead, he didn't donate any money and he currently isn't spending any money, he died in the accident he caused. He died at the scene of the accident where he ran over the Korean man who stepped off the kerb in front of him as he was travelling to fast to stop ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peperobi Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Why is the police not able to check all those illegal motorbikes and cars rental that operates without any insurance? In case you ask those illegal rentals the confirm to have a proper insurance, for the tourist is not possible to check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soistalker Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Of course the motorcycle rental company doesn't have third party insurance. They don't think They need it. They would just hold the passport and charge the foreigner exorbitant fees if the bike were damaged or even scratched. Rarely would this type of accident happen to them. But if anyone wants to sue them, good luck. This is Thailand. You can't get a baht from a Thai in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 36 minutes ago, miamiman123 said: Wife’s Thai father killed in hit run...they got him drunk Thai driver...but no money just short jail sentence....crazy! Because it is a civil case. The family has to sue the culprit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irwinfc Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 hours ago, webfact said: ...but the company had not extended the Por Ror Bor or third party accident insurance as required by the law. which means the bike was not registered during the incident. Por Ror Bor or Compulsory Third Party (CTP) insurance is, as the term implies, compulsory. the company simply had no option to NOT extend the insurance. one cannot renew a motor vehicle's registration without it. CTP costs less than 2 baht a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soistalker Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, peperobi said: Why is the police not able to check all those illegal motorbikes and cars rental that operates without any insurance? In case you ask those illegal rentals the confirm to have a proper insurance, for the tourist is not possible to check it out. Police don't really work in Thailand. There's no baht in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 hours ago, robblok said: Yes its unacceptable, but not being insured is not a police matter they can fine the guy, but the families need to go in civil court to claim damages. Its not much different in other parts of the world. At least not in my country, its not like the police is going to start a civil case for the victims. The police can only fine them for not having insurance (as has been done) and then its up to the families to do the rest. It sucks but its normal procedure, however i expect the guy to move all his possessions to someone else. It seems that all the crooks do that here once they get in trouble. In Thailand the penalties for not having licence or insurance are a joke ... In the UK: Penalties for uninsured drivers: The police could give you a fixed penalty of £300 (13,500B) and 6 penalty points if you’re caught driving a vehicle you’re not insured to drive. If the case goes to court you could get an unlimited fine & disqualified from driving The police also have the power to seize and do any uninsured vehicles, and in some cases, destroy the vehicle. (Driving without the right licence would invalidate any insurance so treated as not having insurance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peperobi Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, soistalker said: Police don't really work in Thailand. There's no baht in it. Unfortunately is it the truth!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 hours ago, 007cableguy said: Will anything ever change in this country?.....zero value on life here or accountability for people's actions Didn't read it properly, did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 hours ago, toenail said: Is this photo suppose to make the negligent driver look like a hero by donating 5000 baht? (I bet he spends more than that in one week on eating and drinking --and motorbike rental.) He donated nothing (except death), he's dead also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 hours ago, greatwhitenorth said: yes it plainly states they get 5000 baht. The families will be comforted by your show of empathy no doubt. Yes, but whose fault it that? The families can sue just like they would have to do in any other country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catman20 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 hours ago, robblok said: Yes its unacceptable, but not being insured is not a police matter they can fine the guy, but the families need to go in civil court to claim damages. Its not much different in other parts of the world. At least not in my country, its not like the police is going to start a civil case for the victims. The police can only fine them for not having insurance (as has been done) and then its up to the families to do the rest. It sucks but its normal procedure, however i expect the guy to move all his possessions to someone else. It seems that all the crooks do that here once they get in trouble. good luck with that one going through the courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soistalker Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I lived in South Korea for many years. Koreans pedestrians will cross the road and specifically not make eye contact with drivers. They think this will make drivers stop for them. It's actually insanity as Korean drivers are only slightly less deadly then Thais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 The Russian father of the deceased driver is the man in the photo. He is a successful businessman and should take some responsibility if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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