webfact Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Swedish PM does not rule out use of army to end gang violence Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Lofven (R) attends an interview at the World Trade Organization (WTO) headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland November 22, 2017. REUTERS/Denis Balibouse/Files STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden will do whatever it takes, including sending in the army, to end a wave of gang violence that has seen a string of deadly shootings, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said in Wednesday. Sweden's murder rate is relatively low in international terms, but gang violence has surged in recent years and Swedes are worried that the police are unable to cope. In 2016, the latest year for which official statistics are available, 106 people were murdered in Sweden, a country of 10 million. But Swedish TV reported there were over 300 shootings, mostly in turf battles between gangs over drugs, protection rackets and prostitution. Four people were shot dead in the first week of this year. One man died after picking up a hand grenade outside a subway station in a suburb of Stockholm. Law and order is likely to be a major issue in a parliamentary election scheduled for September with the populist, opposition Sweden Democrats linking public concern about the rising crime rate to a large increase in the numbers of immigrants. "It would not be my first option to bring in the military, but I am prepared to do whatever is necessary to make sure that serious, organised crime is stamped out," Lofven told news agency TT. The government has promised police an extra 7.1 billion crowns ($880 million) through 2020, toughened laws on gun crimes and made it easier for the police to monitor private phone calls and emails, among other measures. But a report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention shows increasing numbers of Swedes worried about crime with confidence falling in the police and the judicial system. "People are shot to death in pizza restaurants, people are killed by hand grenades they find on the street," Sweden Democrat leader Jimmie Akesson said in parliament on Wednesday. "This is the new Sweden; the new, exciting dynamic, multicultural paradise that so many here in this assembly ... have fought to create for so many years," he said sarcastically. ($1 = 8.0577 Swedish crowns) (Reporting by Simon Johnson; editing by Richard Balmforth) -- © Copyright Reuters 2018-01-19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLang Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Perhaps they could also send in the army to the 60+ No Go Zones that immigrants have created, where police and locals are not allowed to go into without being assaulted or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaibah Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 POTUS should do this in Cali. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freethinker Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 About time, these scum need to be dealt with. I'm sure SOG is up to the task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, DLang said: Perhaps they could also send in the army to the 60+ No Go Zones that immigrants have created, where police and locals are not allowed to go into without being assaulted or worse. Are these "no-go" zones anything like the ones in the Netherlands? I have heard from Ambassador Pete Hoekstra that there are cars being burnt, there are politicians that are being burnt… there are no-go zones in the Netherlands. Do you know if the Swedish "no-go" zones are the same as the ones Ambassador Hoekstra described in Netherlands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I am at a loss how the army can solve this, unless he envisages a permanent Northern Ireland troubles presence in every city troubled by gang violence, and do they even have the resources to do so? That would take a lot of soldiers to do. If he's talking about a "lightning strike" operation, using the military, is he prepared for a lot of ''collateral damage"? By definition soldiers are trained to kill people, not police actions. Seems to me like a politician speaking about things he thinks will sound good in the media, but are in reality a nonsense, like Blair sending a tank to Heathrow when there was a terrorist attack there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the guest Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Swedistan as it's known today, has been over thrown by a new violence, which the PC government is too scared to admit there's a problem. Before it was relatively safe, and now it's become dangerous, you figure it out why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: I am at a loss how the army can solve this, unless he envisages a permanent Northern Ireland troubles presence in every city troubled by gang violence, and do they even have the resources to do so? That would take a lot of soldiers to do. If he's talking about a "lightning strike" operation, using the military, is he prepared for a lot of ''collateral damage"? By definition soldiers are trained to kill people, not police actions. Seems to me like a politician speaking about things he thinks will sound good in the media, but are in reality a nonsense, like Blair sending a tank to Heathrow when there was a terrorist attack there. Since the Swedish army has really only been involved in Peace-keeping efforts in living memory I doubt they are trained the way you envision. Policing and interaction skills would necessarily be part of their arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvs Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, mikebike said: Are these "no-go" zones anything like the ones in the Netherlands? I have heard from Ambassador Pete Hoekstra that there are cars being burnt, there are politicians that are being burnt… there are no-go zones in the Netherlands. Do you know if the Swedish "no-go" zones are the same as the ones Ambassador Hoekstra described in Netherlands? Fake news,he already has apologized for that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freethinker Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: I am at a loss how the army can solve this, unless he envisages a permanent Northern Ireland troubles presence in every city troubled by gang violence, and do they even have the resources to do so? That would take a lot of soldiers to do. If he's talking about a "lightning strike" operation, using the military, is he prepared for a lot of ''collateral damage"? By definition soldiers are trained to kill people, not police actions. Seems to me like a politician speaking about things he thinks will sound good in the media, but are in reality a nonsense, like Blair sending a tank to Heathrow when there was a terrorist attack there. I assume he is talking about small special forces units or military police, not mechanized infantry divisions or anything of the sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, jvs said: Fake news,he already has apologized for that statement. Which part is "fake"? The fact that he said it certainly isn't. The fact that he was forced to apologize by a tenaciously dogged media after lying and saying he never said it? Nope that's true too. Or does the "fake" part in your post apply to the dog-whistling of no-go zones in Sweden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvs Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, mikebike said: Which part is "fake"? The fact that he said it certainly isn't. The fact that he was forced to apologize by a tenaciously dogged media after lying and saying he never said it? Nope that's true too. Or does the "fake" part in your post apply to the dog-whistling of no-go zones in Sweden? He did day that,but what he said was untrue.There are no 'No go' zones in the Netherlands where cars and politicians are being burned.At least not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, mikebike said: Since the Swedish army has really only been involved in Peace-keeping efforts in living memory I doubt they are trained the way you envision. Policing and interaction skills would necessarily be part of their arsenal. Ah, so not a real army then. I have nothing against peacekeepers, but I think calling them soldiers is erroneous. The soldiers I knew only used bullets, not talk, but that was a very long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, freethinker said: I assume he is talking about small special forces units or military police, not mechanized infantry divisions or anything of the sort. I agree, but soldiers are not policemen, so what will be the rules of engagement, and will martial law be declared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, jvs said: He did day that,but what he said was untrue.There are no 'No go' zones in the Netherlands where cars and politicians are being burned.At least not yet. Give it time, give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, jvs said: He did day that,but what he said was untrue.There are no 'No go' zones in the Netherlands where cars and politicians are being burned.At least not yet. Now you got my original point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Ah, so not a real army then. I have nothing against peacekeepers, but I think calling them soldiers is erroneous. The soldiers I knew only used bullets, not talk, but that was a very long time ago. Peacekeepers are trained soldiers first. Then they get additional training. What are you on about? Or are you dissing them because their country was smart enough to avoid unnecessary conflict in the last 60-ish years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, mikebike said: Peacekeepers are trained soldiers first. Then they get additional training. What are you on about? Or are you dissing them because their country was smart enough to avoid unnecessary conflict in the last 60-ish years? No, but "soldiers" that never fight are not really soldiers. They are people given military training that do peacekeeping. Perhaps paramilitary forces. I just like to be clear as to what people actually are. I'd quite like to have been in a military with all the thrills of military life, but without the downside of potentially being killed in an actual war. The thought of being gut shot is not particularly attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamuraii Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Sweden is lost, sports at eleven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7000gods Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Lovely people.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton Rd Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 There seems to be a certain word missing before 'gang violence' he is probably not allowed to say it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, mikebike said: Are these "no-go" zones anything like the ones in the Netherlands? I have heard from Ambassador Pete Hoekstra that there are cars being burnt, there are politicians that are being burnt… there are no-go zones in the Netherlands. Do you know if the Swedish "no-go" zones are the same as the ones Ambassador Hoekstra described in Netherlands? There aren't any no-go zones in the Netherlands, no politicians burnt, the ambassador is a lying <deleted> as his president is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton Rd Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Right they are just zones where you can go, but if you are a woman dressed in a certain way you are likely to be raped and if you are a gay man or a Jew you are likely to be attacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chippendale Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, 7000gods said: Lovely people.. The most disgusting part is at 1:45 in the video when the police refuse to enter the no-go zone and the TV crew are left to fend for themselves against the Somali mob. Sweden isn't Norway, unfortunately. Sweden is turning into a shithole country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamuraii Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, chippendale said: The most disgusting part is at 1:45 in the video when the police refuse to enter the no-go zone and the TV crew are left to fend for themselves against the Somali mob. Sweden isn't Norway, unfortunately. Sweden is turning into a shithole country. Sweden went bust in the 90s, its been a shithole country for a while, hold on for 20 more years, bourgeois Swedes, 1st to leave the country and flee, these are the true traitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dude Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Everyone knows why crime is sky-rocketing all over Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, mikebike said: Are these "no-go" zones anything like the ones in the Netherlands? I have heard from Ambassador Pete Hoekstra that there are cars being burnt, there are politicians that are being burnt… there are no-go zones in the Netherlands. Do you know if the Swedish "no-go" zones are the same as the ones Ambassador Hoekstra described in Netherlands? You're free to believe what that guy Hoekstra has said, you could also do a bit of work and try to find out if its true or not. When you look at the videos of his interviews with Dutch journalists (one when still in the USA, the other one when he had arrived in NL) you can see he's too chicken to even respond to a straight question about his past remarks, and defend them. With a bit of evidence f.i. What a disgrace this guy is from the supposedly great country USA, to send as ambassador to NL. Where the press at least don't take bs for an answer. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/11/netherlands-holland-peter-hoekstra-ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfarang Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Welcome to the new Europe of cultural enrichment. Soon westerners will not have countries they can call their own, but will be a part of an ethnic community in their own lands, with free speech and expression controlled by political correctness and restraints imposed by law. Those who dare to speak out will be ridiculed, labelled as far right racists and bullied into submission if they go against the grain, whereas these days the only free speech that is acceptable are from those who go along with the flow. Try praising Donald Trump or complaining about Muslims and immigration on your facebooks and see what reactions you will receive as a typical example on a smaller scale. It is made many too scared to speak out in fear of alienation and being labeled as far right bigots. We have been sold out and the leftist brainwashing has succeeded in silencing those of us who feel patriotic and concerned about seeing our heritage, way of life and culture flushed down the toilet of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon537687643 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Visited Sweden last year! Parts of Stockholm and Malmo are no go areas! This country really screwed up with its open door to so called refugees !Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Orton Rd said: There seems to be a certain word missing before 'gang violence' he is probably not allowed to say it though Suppose you're referring to the Serb mafia comprised of "Christians" - LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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