sotsira Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 So lets name and shame the teams in the EPL over the 4 years who have had the most cautions for simulation. Then maybe their supporters who like to point their criticism at rival teams, can think twice before doing so, cos unless their team has a squeaky clean record, then they are just being hypocrites. Thanks to some top class research from Squawka, we now have a list of the Premier League teams who have been involved in the most diving incidents since 2012/13. Most diving offences since 2012 to end of 2016 Stoke:11 Man City :11 Swansea:11 Liverpool:12 West Brom:12 C Palace:12 Man United:13 Tottenham:14 Southampton:14 Sunderland:19 Chelsea:21 Yes, Chelsea have been - by some distance - the worst Premier League divers over those four seasons. Here is a list of all the players booked for diving during the 2016/17 SEASON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 So 5 of the top 6 make it into the top 10 (well 11 or joint 10th). Jonny Foreigner is the biggest culprit, despite what Arsene Wenger says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Delli Alli is the crappiest diver for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Franny Lee would put them all to shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Surprised no scousers have commented on this thread, after all they seem to be the expert's on the subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 19 hours ago, champers said: So 5 of the top 6 make it into the top 10 (well 11 or joint 10th). Jonny Foreigner is the biggest culprit, despite what Arsene Wenger says. It sort of suggests how productive diving is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nahkit Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, alfieconn said: Surprised no scousers have commented on this thread, after all they seem to be the expert's on the subject do you have trouble counting past five? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnapat Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 19 hours ago, RonniePickering22 said: Delli Alli is the crappiest diver for sure! And has got away with numerous other dubious ''falls" in the penalty area Problem is we only see listed those where the referee has had the "balls" to make the decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 These statistics must be questioned as some players get booked for diving when they were fouled and some players dive without getting a booking . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Just now, sanemax said: These statistics must be questioned as some players get booked for diving when they were fouled and some players dive without getting a booking . That was my first thought. And due to not being able to appeal a yellow, if a player does get booked, the card sticks whether justified or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterpasser Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I have given up on the EPL - Excessive amount of foreign players have destroyed the English game . The national team is average at best. The other home nations have slipped into oblivion -Once the 1st division had a healthy Scottish , Welsh and Irish contribution , but now effectively none grace the premiership. The football is fast now , but compromised by players throwing themselves to the ground at any form of contact. Foreign managers , foreign ownership , off the scale transfer fees , tax evasion and player salaries only adds to the fiasco that is the now EPL. How can supporters identify with teams that effectively contain no English players - Man city , Chelsea and Arsenal for example. For me Home Nations rugby is far more gratifying . England v Wales today -30 blokes going for the honour of the game . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, masterpasser said: For me Home Nations rugby is far more gratifying . England v Wales today -30 blokes going for the honour of the game . It's possible to love both. I do. I'll have 2 TV's set up in the living room and be watching the first 30 mins of Rugby then watch the City match with volume and one eye on the Rugby without volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Question: How can supporters identify with teams that effectively contain no English players - Man city , Chelsea and Arsenal for example. Answer: Some of were born in to Man city , Chelsea and Arsenal for example supporting families, have been following our CLUBS since way before the influx of foreigners, and we enjoy watching english football's 92 clubs play. Ps. I also enjoy watching international rugby union which has greatly improved over the years from the dull dull days of kick for touch rugby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotsira Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, sanemax said: These statistics must be questioned as some players get booked for diving when they were fouled and some players dive without getting a booking . Questioned or not, these statistics are factually written in to the history books of the game just like all football statistics. Should that goal have counted when it crossed the line but was not seen and therefore not given? Or when a goal is given even though the player was clearly offside? The same can be said of any refereeing decision whether it be simulation, offside, penalties, free kicks etc... That is part of the game, referees get some wrong but most right, unless we change the structure of the game and use VAR which we all know is in contention. Though I don't think VAR will improve the game as a spectacle, but it will improve it technically taking away the unsureness and excitement at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, sotsira said: Questioned or not, these statistics are factually written in to the history books of the game just like all football statistics. Which book are these stats written in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieH Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, masterpasser said: I have given up on the EPL - Excessive amount of foreign players have destroyed the English game . The national team is average at best. The other home nations have slipped into oblivion -Once the 1st division had a healthy Scottish , Welsh and Irish contribution , but now effectively none grace the premiership. The football is fast now , but compromised by players throwing themselves to the ground at any form of contact. Foreign managers , foreign ownership , off the scale transfer fees , tax evasion and player salaries only adds to the fiasco that is the now EPL. How can supporters identify with teams that effectively contain no English players - Man city , Chelsea and Arsenal for example. For me Home Nations rugby is far more gratifying . England v Wales today -30 blokes going for the honour of the game . the national team was always average at best. but do carry on with the little englander crap about how foreigners have ruined the beautiful game despite being just generally better at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, nahkit said: do you have trouble counting past five? Not as far i remember, why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotsira Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 54 minutes ago, sanemax said: Which book are these stats written in ? There are hundreds of them, but first and foremost all football match referee's write a log or report on every game that is refereed then submit it to the FA.who then records it. From that info historical analysis and statistical information can be obtained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Who cares, there is no more diving than recent years. Just a media narrative to fill the pages until the end of the season. I'd rather have diving and goals which shouldn't have been given than VAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nahkit Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 40 minutes ago, alfieconn said: Not as far i remember, why ? keep sucking your dummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, sotsira said: There are hundreds of them, but first and foremost all football match referee's write a log or report on every game that is refereed then submit it to the FA.who then records it. From that info historical analysis and statistical information can be obtained. What are the books that they are published in though Name the publisher and the author Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotsira Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, sanemax said: What are the books that they are published in though Name the publisher and the author Errrrr ......... I already explained, maybe you mis understand the terminology i've used, When i say the history books of football, i'm not referring to one particular book. I'm referring to historical DATA written by match officials and submitted to the FA to be RECORDED. How else are you going to know what happened in a particular match 20 or 30 years ago? So to answer your question above: The Author is the referee. The publisher is the FA. I hope that helps you understand now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, sotsira said: Errrrr ......... I already explained, maybe you mis understand the terminology i've used, When i say the history books of football, i'm not referring to one particular book. I'm referring to historical DATA written by match officials and submitted to the FA to be RECORDED. How else are you going to know what happened in a particular match 20 or 30 years ago? So to answer your question above: The Author is the referee. The publisher is the FA. I hope that helps you understand now! OK, so there isnt actually any published book . Can you tell me where the data is published ? Websites or where ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotsira Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, sanemax said: OK, so there isnt actually any published book . Can you tell me where the data is published ? Websites or where ever If you read the OP you can clearly see it's highlighted in red www.squawka.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Just now, sotsira said: If you read the OP you can clearly see it's highlighted in red www.squawka.com But match officials or the FA don't submit data to Squawka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, sotsira said: If you read the OP you can clearly see it's highlighted in red www.squawka.com But I would like to see official details . Which players were booked and what for . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotsira Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, sanemax said: But I would like to see official details . Which players were booked and what for . Again you can clearly see that info in the OP for the 2016/17 season. 10 minutes ago, RickG16 said: But match officials or the FA don't submit data to Squawka. And for those who clearly want to doubt the information then i suggest you take it up with Squawka themselves. Don't shoot the messenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, sotsira said: Again you can clearly see that info in the OP for the 2016/17 season. And for those who clearly want to doubt the information then i suggest you take it up with Squawka themselves. Don't shoot the messenger. OK - so this: "The Author is the referee. The publisher is the FA." Is wrong. The Author is Squakwa. The Publisher is Squakwa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryasimight Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Is there a translate to English button on TVF? I don't understand anything that has been written so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, sotsira said: Again you can clearly see that info in the OP for the 2016/17 season. The statistics were from the previous four seasons , those are the statistics that I would like to see The data table shown is just for 2017 and not from 2012-16 (which the given results are from) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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