catman20 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said: Kick to the head is murder attempt the farang attacker and his friends are all just as guilty each minimum 30 years in jail. i think your over reacting here a bit, need to know all the facets before you become judge, jury and executioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Andrew65 said: "Thaivisa hasn’t been able to confirm the incident and has received conflicting reports on the condition of the victim, with one witness saying the victim later died in hospital" This isn't stated categorically in the article (only by "a witness"). The headline doesn't mention a fatality either. Do try to keep up! https://thepattayanews.com/2018/02/11/australian-national-dies-fight-american-foreigner-popular-northern-pattaya-bar/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said: I disagree that it could happen to anyone... Certain people put themselves in these situations. That is why I don't go to bars anymore, I reckon my chances of not getting smashed are better than those that frequent bars on a regular basis !! I disagree, in the UK just look at someone in some pubs and they'll start something. Lots of blokes out there who get like this every time they go drinking, then go home & beat up the wife. Although you're correct in saying that not going out to pubs is the best way to avoid this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: https://thepattayanews.com/2018/02/11/australian-national-dies-fight-american-foreigner-popular-northern-pattaya-bar/ OK, I didn't read that, only the TV report. RIP to the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennyW Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Fish Head Soup said: https://thepattayanews.com/2018/02/11/australian-national-dies-fight-american-foreigner-popular-northern-pattaya-bar/ 14 minutes ago, Andrew65 said: "Thaivisa hasn’t been able to confirm the incident and has received conflicting reports on the condition of the victim, with one witness saying the victim later died in hospital" This isn't stated categorically in the article (only by "a witness"). The headline doesn't mention a fatality either. Do try to keep up! Do try to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 21 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said: a group of 4-5 foreign men who were allegedly very drunk and acting in an aggressive manner. Ok. I'll start. I'm going Russian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, Andrew65 said: I disagree, in the UK just look at someone in some pubs and they'll start something. Lots of blokes out there who get like this every time they go drinking, then go home & beat up the wife. Although you're correct in saying that not going out to pubs is the best way to avoid this Hahahah, that was my point, but you disagreed anyway, then agreed !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, dinsdale said: Ok. I'll start. I'm going Russian. Its has been established and reported that the attacker (and we can assume his associates) was American, now in custody, Its also been reported (not verified) that the Australian victim was the initial aggressor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostyan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 He [the attacker] smashed his foot from above in the guys [victim's] face at least 10-15 times with full force. That whole incident lasted probably 20 seconds I m not a regular bar visitor and I know that any bar could be dangerous in a minute, but is there any staff in that bar? Doorman or else? An incident lasting 20 minutes is not a flash hit and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wombatinsiam Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 He died. http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/an-australian-man-has-been-killed-in-brutal-bar-fight-in-pattaya-thailand/news-story/a8a0c7c418cdf9b6433e7640c9c8b666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon537687643 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Oh my God. This is going to be very tough for all our resident thai bashing keyboard warriors. A gang of 5 farangs attacking a weaker person and stomping on his face while he was down!! Falangs in Thailand taking their lead! “When in Rome “Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiChakayan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 12 hours ago, Get Real said: Why in the world does Thailand attract so many individuals with non existing brain function? Because it is so easy to blend in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, KiChakayan said: Because it is so easy to blend in. I know some very intelligent farangs (graduates), otherwise perfectly sensible guys, who turn into headcases when drunk. One of the things that booze does is affect/impair brain function, this can work the same with dumb brains as well as brilliant ones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: Its has been established and reported that the attacker (and we can assume his associates) was American, now in custody, Its also been reported (not verified) that the Australian victim was the initial aggressor. Ok. Cheers. Hope they throw the book at them not just extort money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 14 hours ago, FolkGuitar said: Actually, it is not murder. A charge of 'murder' requires premeditation. This would be a charge of 'manslaughter' if the victim dies. If he did indeed stomp him on the head 10-15 times , I would suggest the extra 9-14 were an attempt at murder. There was certainly an intention to cause 'malice aforethought'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 13 hours ago, Sir Dude said: Pattaya and the other tourist hot-spots like Phuket/Samui etc. attract all the garbage...both foreign and local, as well as the normal visitor who has little clue too. I have not seen the claim repeated but there in a Bike Club event going on in Pattaya and early reports attributed this to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, jacko45k said: If he did indeed stomp him on the head 10-15 times , I would suggest the extra 9-14 were an attempt at murder. There was certainly an intention to cause 'malice aforethought'... Yes, there was malice, but no premeditation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostyan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 R.I.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, ostyan said: He [the attacker] smashed his foot from above in the guys [victim's] face at least 10-15 times with full force. That whole incident lasted probably 20 seconds I m not a regular bar visitor and I know that any bar could be dangerous in a minute, but is there any staff in that bar? Doorman or else? An incident lasting 20 minutes is not a flash hit and run. 20 secs bro... Not 20 min :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostyan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, jacko45k said: If he did indeed stomp him on the head 10-15 times , I would suggest the extra 9-14 were an attempt at murder. There was certainly an intention to cause 'malice aforethought'... Yes, there was malice, but no premeditation. Yes and no. Depending on the jury and the ruling law. I know laws which make a sharp difference if someone hits the others one or two times and the victim dies and when someone attacks the others relatively long time. On the other hand, we don't have any information on the "reason" of their fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said: Yes, there was malice, but no premeditation. Premeditation is not a requirement for a murder charge or conviction. If you are a USA citizen you may be relating to 1st degree murder. There is second degree murder, murder nevertheless. Thai law states intent and malice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, jacko45k said: Premeditation is not a requirement for a murder charge or conviction. If you are a USA citizen you be relating to 1st degree murder. There is second degree murder, murder nevertheless. Thai law states intent and malice. Not sure about Thai law, but I think that under English law there's only murder or manslaughter, no second degree murder. I think intent & premeditation is the only difference. Thai law is a bit of a mystery to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavemanwww Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 22 hours ago, saakura said: Oh my God. This is going to be very tough for all our resident thai bashing keyboard warriors. A gang of 5 farangs attacking a weaker person and stomping on his face while he was down!! For those that laughed and loved Mr saakura's comment then hopefully all of you get the same fate one day! Karma baby. Sick people in here sometimes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 22 hours ago, saakura said: Oh my God. This is going to be very tough for all our resident thai bashing keyboard warriors. A gang of 5 farangs attacking a weaker person and stomping on his face while he was down!! But easy for the resident Pattaya bashers like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidst01 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, wavemanwww said: For those that laughed and loved Mr saakura's comment then hopefully all of you get the same fate one day! Karma baby. Sick people in here sometimes! stop reading then. no one is forcing you to read this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 22 hours ago, mercman24 said: where does it say a gang of 5 attacking this poor chap. get your facts right. it is saying it in the Australian media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillyflower Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 5:02 AM, mercman24 said: where does it say a gang of 5 attacking this poor chap. get your facts right. It's in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLover Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 19 hours ago, JSixpack said: Ruby just ain't what it used to be. Shouldn't have changed ownership and remodeled. True, it must have been the new decor that caused this violence to kick off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 A troll post has been removed. Further across the board Pattaya bashing for no reason will be removed and that member will earn a long suspension, bar fights do happen all over the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart1916 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 18 hours ago, Henrik Andersen said: Ban all the beer bar's So all this stupid guys meaby not coming to Thailand Bar's are for no good Don't like 'em? Then don't go to them. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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