HHTel Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Grumpy Duck said: The questions I have: 1, were there any reports of missing or abducted babies in the area? 2, if dead from natural causes, (disease) are there any pediatric clinics in the immediate vicinity 3, the article stated each baby was in a plastic bag, Were they identicle bags? Perhaps such as used for medical waste? This is a terrible way to dispose of any former living thing. Hopefully Banmuang will follow up with a complete story. And my question is - Why every other news source including television report the discovery of foetuses and most posters here insist on believing a bad translation from Banmuang, a Thai language source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annunaki Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Grumpy Duck said: The questions I have: 1, were there any reports of missing or abducted babies in the area? 2, if dead from natural causes, (disease) are there any pediatric clinics in the immediate vicinity 3, the article stated each baby was in a plastic bag, Were they identicle bags? Perhaps such as used for medical waste? This is a terrible way to dispose of any former living thing. Hopefully Banmuang will follow up with a complete story. 1, were there any reports of missing or abducted babies in the area? No, if you read the rest of the thread you will find out that they were fetuses. I have no idea how anyone would abduct a fetus. 2, if dead from natural causes, (disease) are there any pediatric clinics in the immediate vicinity Again the answer would be no, as they were fetuses. Instead of continuously speculating about what happened it would probably be better if you were to read and understand what has already been posted and established. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, scorecard said: OK point taken, but there's also plenty of cases in the past of unauthorized / illegal abortion clinics in Thailand being raided and ..... I absolutely agree. These illegal operations only exist because of the stigma in many Thai people's minds. The truth of the matter is there is no need for a girl/woman to resort to these back street butchers. The info structure is there and should be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 Hua Hin police hunt for culprits dumping four human fetuses in garbage bin By Thai PBS Hua Hin district police in Prachuap Khiri Khan are now hunting for culprits who dumped four human fetuses in garbage bin near convenience store on Tuesday (Feb 13). The fetuses, wrapped and put inside garbage bags, were found by a garbage collector of Hua Hin Municipality who collected the waste at a 7-Eleven convenience store at Ruamsook housing estate. Hua Hin police superintendent Pol Col Sittichai Srisopacharoenrat said that police detectives had been sent to the scene to look for evidence and track the routes used by the culprits. Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/hua-hin-police-hunt-culprits-dumping-four-human-fetuses-garbage-bin/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-02-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Thai nyim...Showing the man good things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob12345 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 hours ago, HHTel said: They were fetuses. Abortion/termination has been legal in Thailand for more than a decade. Even the 'abortion pill' as accepted as legal in 2014. Valid reasons for abortion are pretty much the same as in the west. i.e. health, rape, and socio-economic. Applicants are counseled first just the same. Please inform the UN also about that since they keep publishing reports saying otherwise (referring to sections 301-305 of the Thai penal code). Abortion is only legal in case of rape and in case the health of the mother is in danger (which can be extended to emotional health). Not sure how it is in the west, but in my home country you can do an abortion until 24 weeks and there has to be no reason otherwise than "i don't want a baby". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Duck Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, scorecard said: OK point taken, but there's also plenty of cases in the past of unauthorized / illegal abortion clinics in Thailand being raided and ..... And what? Again I will state a 2 month old child is NOT a fetus. Are you implying that a clinic performed an illegal late term abortion where the fetuses were actually fully developed children and allowed to live several months before being destroyed? I tend to think you have been reading too much propaganda put out by the right to birth fanatics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, Grumpy Duck said: And what? Again I will state a 2 month old child is NOT a fetus. Are you implying that a clinic performed an illegal late term abortion where the fetuses were actually fully developed children and allowed to live several months before being destroyed? I tend to think you have been reading too much propaganda put out by the right to birth fanatics 2 months old would be a very late stage abortion indeed. The progressives are probably working on that though. Anyhow, there has been copious postings here saying that this disposal of fetuses. The OP article was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 38 minutes ago, transam said: I think your post was way out of order bringing your religious stuff into a heartbreaking topic, but if that is your "thing" it has been read by all.... I'm broken up by you thoughts, totally devastated, but they are only your opinion and I'll get over it (probably by the time I type the full stop after this). Clearly if I post a comment on a public forum I don't need you to point out that it can be (not 'has been') read by all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Duck Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, canuckamuck said: 2 months old would be a very late stage abortion indeed. The progressives are probably working on that though. Anyhow, there has been copious postings here saying that this disposal of fetuses. The OP article was wrong. Yes, I just saw such a post. I simply commented on the OP report, I don't watch or read Thai news other as translated here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoni Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 hours ago, HHTel said: It alters the story somewhat. This was not murder carried out on babies but the result of illegal abortions. The debate on when a fetus becomes a child will carry on regardless. "The debate on when a fetus becomes a child will carry on regardless." Sure.... but how about the debate on when a human fetus becomes a human ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Pickle Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 This is heartbreaking surely they could have handed them into a orphanage so sad reading this just awful how could you do that to a baby . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Catoni said: "The debate on when a fetus becomes a child will carry on regardless." Sure.... but how about the debate on when a fetus becomes a human ? ? Fetus can be applied to any mammal. Quote an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception. As already stated, these were human fetuses. And that's all I'll say on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkenn Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 This is very sad and just as sad as the 3000 aborted babies a day in The U.S. Every life is precious and what many abortion clinics do in America is more sickening than what happened to these precious babies. My hope is that everyone responsible will come to a realization of how horrible this is and realize how precious each life is. R.I.P every aborted baby..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoni Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, HHTel said: Fetus can be applied to any mammal. As already stated, these were human fetuses. And that's all I'll say on the subject. "Fetus can be applied to any mammal". That's true... I agree. But this thread is talking about human fetuses... My mistake for not making that clear. So then... ""The debate on when a fetus becomes a child will carry on regardless." Yes... .. but how about the debate on when an alive human fetus becomes a living human ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Pickle Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I have just read the Thai visa page it does not mention a foetus it says four bodies of babies aged 8 weeks to 4 months found for all the slanging that is going on does it really matter what age they are it is horrific just wrapped in plastic and thrown in a bin very sad . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Miss Pickle said: I have just read the Thai visa page it does not mention a foetus it says four bodies of babies aged 8 weeks to 4 months found for all the slanging that is going on does it really matter what age they are it is horrific just wrapped in plastic and thrown in a bin very sad . Do keep up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunderhill Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 19 hours ago, Dave67 said: Sort of lost for words this one, what state of mind can someone be in to do something so hideous To be expected in a country forbidding abortion In a country with a huge amount of unnecessary teen pregnancies despite cheap availability of contraception, in a country where religion rules their daily life, in a country stuck in the dark ages. Edit didnt realise abortion was now legal, well at least some improvement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Just Weird said: How can babies aged between 8 weeks and 4 months be aborted? have you actually been following the thread - carefully ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, gunderhill said: To be expected in a country forbidding abortion In a country with a huge amount of unnecessary teen pregnancies despite cheap availability of contraception, in a country where religion rules their daily life, in a country stuck in the dark ages. Abortion is perfectly legal in Thailand and has been for more than 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, Catoni said: Yes... .. but how about the debate on when an alive human fetus becomes a living human ? ? One for the "religious" to mull over. To me. IMHO, when the 'entity' can sustain life on it own accord, human or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 photo caption: "and what are these blue thing?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uffe123 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Abortion clinic job. No morals at all, who ever is responsible should rot in jail. Amazing Thailand what a slogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexomike Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 19 hours ago, manarak said: until more is known about how these babies ended up dead and in the trash, any comment is totally unfounded. They were found in the trash, I think there is nothing wrong with commenting on this heinous act, damn you can not get any lower than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 5 hours ago, car720 said: Thank you. I stand corrected. That did not take long did it Now pass it on to one or two of the others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Just Weird said: How can babies aged between 8 weeks and 4 months be aborted? Another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leither69 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 19 hours ago, JOC said: An illegal abortion clinic is probably a very qualified guess.... How can you abort a 4 month old baby!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Grumpy Duck said: And what? Again I will state a 2 month old child is NOT a fetus. Are you implying that a clinic performed an illegal late term abortion where the fetuses were actually fully developed children and allowed to live several months before being destroyed? I tend to think you have been reading too much propaganda put out by the right to birth fanatics Oh my word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooHaa Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 19 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said: Were they really dead babies aged between 8 weeks and 4 months? Other reports I've read say they were foetuses at between 8 weeks and 4 months development. There's quite a difference. obviously a translation issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annunaki Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, leither69 said: How can you abort a 4 month old baby!! Either with a time machine or a poor understanding of what a fetus is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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