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Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

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55 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

For the record, the chaos surrounding Brexit is solely due to the losers of the democratic referendum being unable to accept that the vote went against their wishes. It is comical seeing the likes of Blair who wouldn't allow a single referendum on the issue now calling for a 2nd one. Jaw dropping hypocrisy.

:clap2::clap2: Eloquently put, as the truth often hurts.

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25 minutes ago, Wiggy said:

I'm not sure it's racist, but your comment says to me that those who are homeless could afford a home if there was one available. I'm not sure that's the case. Besides, most immigrants don't suddenly turn up and automatically get 'given' a property to live in, thus denying others. That is somewhat of a myth. Just saying.

I hardly said that. The fact that hundreds of thousands are arriving every year makes it impossible to do any planning (the government would have to build a city the size of Luton every year at present). The same thing is happening all over Europe, chaos is guaranteed.

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28 minutes ago, Grouse said:

The "government" seem to do nothing except argue over Brexit. Not only have they taken their eye off the ball, they've lost it.

The process is being hampered by those who will simply not accept the result of a democratic vote.

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1 hour ago, rixalex said:

If you ignore this referendum result, as you propose and support, the consequence would be that nobody henceforth would take any referendum seriously, knowing that the outcome need not be acted upon. It wouldn't matter how many times the politicians were to tell us that, "no, really, this time we'll listen to how you vote and let you decide". Nobody would believe them. How could they?

 

That's the thing. There's no turning back when you set a precedent.

 

Remainers don't seem to comprehend the damage they would be doing by overturning the referendum. It would far far outweigh any potential damage Brexit will do.

 

If you think the UK is a divided country facing lots of difficulties now, you haven't seen anything yet, once you get your way.

As referendums in the UK are not legally binding (they need to be later endorsed by an Act of Parliament) due to constitutional sovereignty, Cameron could've insisted that a two-thirds (i.e. super-majority) would be required for the referendum to be endorsed, especially as it was such a major decision affecting the long-term future of the UK. If a super-majority had been required (and other countries do this) then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Cameron was probably so confident it would be a Remain vote he didn't bother. I'm not advocating Leave or Remain, as it works both ways, I'm just saying.

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2 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

The vote was in favor of an exit, a point that some people seem to have difficulty with.

 

Why put the whole move off?    Wouldn't just extending the two years be a better proposal?   Of course it would, except in the minds of those who are still opposing it.

As a referendum, it was never well planned or well thought out. Final count was 49-51 or similar?

 That's just too close to call, ie the losing 49%, from whatever side will feel aggrieved. And that's a helluva lot of the population.

Should have made a 2/3rds majority rule or something prior to calling it, i don't know.

What i do know is the vast majority of younger people voted Remain, whilst the vast majority of older people inc pensioners etc voted Leave. But they'll all be dead in 10-20 years, leaving the Remainers to sort out their mess. 

And it is a mess.

Me personally, i'm sitting on the fence, didn't vote, and i see negatives and positives on both sides of the argument.

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20 minutes ago, cooked said:

I hardly said that. The fact that hundreds of thousands are arriving every year makes it impossible to do any planning (the government would have to build a city the size of Luton every year at present). The same thing is happening all over Europe, chaos is guaranteed.

That's very true, planning for new housing is a shambles. I'm merely suggesting that I don't think the number of homeless is related to immigration. In fact, net migration to the UK decreased by nearly 54% in 2017 (230,000 down to 106,000) whereas homelessness went up by 15%. 

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I wouldn't wipe my ar$e with that rag "The Guardian". Instead of unbiased reporting of the news they just continue to peddle their Remain agenda with poorly written articles such as this one.

 

The sorriest case of poor losers that I can remember. Their lies of impending doom didn't work before the vote so they continue with some lame attempt at "I told you so" for years afterwards. I can imagine this idiot crying into their Latte over breakfast, blaming Brexit because their toast landed butter side down. You lost, suck it up and get behind the country and maybe just maybe, in 10 years when the EU is slowly collapsing and Britain is standing on it's own 2 feet, sovereignty intact, unelected Eurocrats long gone, you'll be big enough to admit you were wrong.

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said:

As a referendum, it was never well planned or well thought out. Final count was 49-51 or similar?

 That's just too close to call, ie the losing 49%, from whatever side will feel aggrieved. And that's a helluva lot of the population.

Should have made a 2/3rds majority rule or something prior to calling it, i don't know.

What i do know is the vast majority of younger people voted Remain, whilst the vast majority of older people inc pensioners etc voted Leave. But they'll all be dead in 10-20 years, leaving the Remainers to sort out their mess. 

And it is a mess.

Me personally, i'm sitting on the fence, didn't vote, and i see negatives and positives on both sides of the argument.

Well said.

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7 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

So, - in addition to ignoring the results of the referendum {the will of the majority} the wealthiest Brits are dictating to the "Common Folk" just how they they shall think, behave, and express themselves.

 

Don't they teach British history in the universities anymore?

Damn small majority for such an important decision.

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7 minutes ago, Wiggy said:

That's very true, planning for new housing is a shambles. I'm merely suggesting that I don't think the number of homeless is related to immigration. In fact, net migration to the UK decreased by nearly 54% in 2017 (230,000 down to 106,000) whereas homelessness went up by 15%. 

Yes I know. Let me put it another way: mass, uncontrolled movements of people leads to chaos. 

A lot of people,, from extreme left to extreme right, think that they will be profiting from the chaos. 

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11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I wouldn't wipe my ar$e with that rag "The Guardian". Instead of unbiased reporting of the news they just continue to peddle their Remain agenda with poorly written articles such as this one.

 

The sorriest case of poor losers that I can remember. Their lies of impending doom didn't work before the vote so they continue with some lame attempt at "I told you so" for years afterwards. I can imagine this idiot crying into their Latte over breakfast, blaming Brexit because their toast landed butter side down. You lost, suck it up and get behind the country and maybe just maybe, in 10 years when the EU is slowly collapsing and Britain is standing on it's own 2 feet, sovereignty intact, unelected Eurocrats long gone, you'll be big enough to admit you were wrong.

 

 

 

You must be an Express of Sun wiping sort I imagine!

 

But you say in just maybe in 10 years when the EU is collapsing..... that's an improvement over the last chap, Sgt Rock, who reckoned that the collapse of Deutsche Bank would cause the EU to implode last year - has collapsing been postponed!, 

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35 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I will continue to guzzle St Agur regardless ?

Typical!!! Bang on about your Danish stolt , your new Passport and its Country's values then choose French commercial ug over Danablu which is matured in a cave.:smile:

To avoid any misunderstandings I am making no connection between you and a cave.:smile:

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9 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

"Express", too funny, what do the real newspapers say on the subject?

 

 

You should read article. Apparently this 'panic' the headline refers to is derived from 36% of German companies 'expressing pessimism' about brexit.

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Just now, Orac said:

 

You should read the article. 

 

You should read article. Apparently this 'panic' the headline refers to is derived from 36% of German companies 'expressing pessimism' about brexit.

I will swallow my concealed cyanide capsule before ever reading the Express, but thank you for the information regardless.

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