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46 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

I'm sure the PM will step up and accept responsibility for the staggering levels of corruption which have occurred on his watch.

 

Just kidding.

 

While the pilfering seems to be occurring across many provinces, the levels in the South look to be quite massive.

I wish he did and of course all those other politicians of previous governments have to be punished then too as it was also during their reign.... Whole PTP, Democrats, and junta in jail..   good plan.

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3 hours ago, Lungstib said:

Just keep digging, look a little harder and it will be found. All these ministries are probably under the same big umbrella at the top. Someone sitting in a lovely a/c office in Bangkok with a padded seat at all outside functions, a dress uniform with glitter and an army of people offering the deepest wai's.

 

Something like a pyramid scheme.

 

 

 

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Not only do these scumbags steal from you - they also expect you to kowtow and wye them also. Absolutely devoid of any morals whatsoever. 

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15 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Something like a pyramid scheme.

 

 

 

I am not an expert in these matters, but this sounds a lot more like a classic "Mafia" structure where actions are coordinated at the top but implemented at the 'bottom'. Then, as the schemes progress, funds are passed up to the Big Boys. And yes, you have to earn/buy your way into the organization. The root difference is that in a pyramid scheme, participants do not know they are part of a scam. With this scheme (Mafia-style), participants do know.

 

This should be easy to prosecute as there seems to be a massive paper-trail, but that presupposes that there is a 'will' to do so on behalf of both the police and the political leadership. In my view, both are likely lacking.

 

Lets hope that public pressure continues, because I doubt that anything else will do it.

 

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Just now, rkidlad said:

Not only do these scumbags steal from you - they also expect you to kowtow and wye them also. Absolutely devoid of any morals whatsoever. 

 

You can find numerous examples of this. my Thai son went to the car blue book office, in Bkk,  to pay the annual road tax and to change the name in the car blue book to his name from my name. Went armed with every document we could think of.

 

He met the dragon from hell who firstly admonished him for having a Thai first name and a western family name. She then insisted that there is no such thing as permanent residency in Thailand and therefore my PR books were fake and she feined ripping up my documents. She told son to get out of the office and come back with some other documents, then insisted he wai deeply to her many times for insulting her.

 

Son went back next day, 2 other staff members quickly approached my son and asked him for all the documents and said please wait about 1 hour or less. They explained that the dragon lady was sick that day, they also apologized strongly several times for the dragon lady's rudeness the previous day, also indicating that she does things like this several times every week, and they indicated they would get everything processed and finished quickly so son could leave as soon as possible, because they feared the dragon lady might appear at any minute.

 

Son was out of the office with new name in blue book and next years tax paid within about 40 minutes. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

I am not an expert in these matters, but this sounds a lot more like a classic "Mafia" structure where actions are coordinated at the top but implemented at the 'bottom'. Then, as the schemes progress, funds are passed up to the Big Boys. And yes, you have to earn/buy your way into the organization.

 

This should be easy to prosecute as there seems to be a massive paper-trail, but that presupposes that there is a 'will' to do so on behalf of both the police and the political leadership. In my view, both are likely lacking.

 

Lets hope that public pressure continues, because I doubt that anything else will do it.

 

 

 

" Lets hope that public pressure continues, because I doubt that anything else will do it."

 

Absolutely key point. Well said.

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yea or in the past YL trying to get her brother back instead of cleaning this up... come on Eric don't make this political as it is not political at all and has been around for decades and not linked to the color of shirts.

Don't be emotion and come out defending the NLA. This nothing to do with politics. The NLA is a legislative body and has a law making function. This kind of major corruption should be taken up by the NLA and debated to improve the the law to deter and prevent corruption like this happening again. Parliament is the place for such debates and oppositions to scrutinize and pressure elected government. This NLA of appointed cronies only act of order unfortunately. No initiative neither any will to work for the people. 

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6 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

You can find numerous examples of this. my Thai son went to the car blue book office, in Bkk,  to pay the annual road tax and to change the name in the car blue book to his name from my name. Went armed with every document we could think of.

 

He met the dragon from hell who firstly admonished him for having a Thai first name and a western family name. She then insisted that there is no such thing as permanent residency in Thailand and therefore my PR books were fake and she feined ripping up my documents. She told son to get out of the office and come back with some other documents, then insisted he wai deeply to her many times for insulting her.

 

Son went back next day, 2 other staff members quickly approached my son and asked him for all the documents and said please wait about 1 hour or less. They explained that the dragon lady was sick that day, they also apologized strongly several times for the dragon lady's rudeness the previous day, also indicating that she does things like this several times every week, and they indicated they would get everything processed and finished quickly so son could leave as soon as possible, because they feared the dragon lady might appear at any minute.

 

Son was out of the office with new name in blue book and next years tax paid within about 40 minutes. 

 

 

Is there anywhere you could file a complaint? I know there is a corruption hotline, but is there one to complain about service issues? 

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21 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

You can find numerous examples of this. my Thai son went to the car blue book office, in Bkk,  to pay the annual road tax and to change the name in the car blue book to his name from my name. Went armed with every document we could think of.

 

He met the dragon from hell who firstly admonished him for having a Thai first name and a western family name. She then insisted that there is no such thing as permanent residency in Thailand and therefore my PR books were fake and she feined ripping up my documents. She told son to get out of the office and come back with some other documents, then insisted he wai deeply to her many times for insulting her.

 

Son went back next day, 2 other staff members quickly approached my son and asked him for all the documents and said please wait about 1 hour or less. They explained that the dragon lady was sick that day, they also apologized strongly several times for the dragon lady's rudeness the previous day, also indicating that she does things like this several times every week, and they indicated they would get everything processed and finished quickly so son could leave as soon as possible, because they feared the dragon lady might appear at any minute.

 

Son was out of the office with new name in blue book and next years tax paid within about 40 minutes. 

 

 

Officials and their little kingdoms. Usually they just love the power trip.

 

My (now ex) wife and me wanted a divorce. We went to the ampur we were married and they asked for certain stamps that just did not exist. Then we went to an other Ampur and there they said that it could only be done at the Ampur we married ( a lie and we knew it). Third Ampur had not problems and did the job without the papers needed at the first one.

 

Its just a powertrip or they are lazy to do their job. Problem is even if your right.. where to go for complaints.. and is it worth all the time you lose. 

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2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Officials and their little kingdoms. Usually they just love the power trip.

 

My (now ex) wife and me wanted a divorce. We went to the ampur we were married and they asked for certain stamps that just did not exist. Then we went to an other Ampur and there they said that it could only be done at the Ampur we married ( a lie and we knew it). Third Ampur had not problems and did the job without the papers needed at the first one.

 

Its just a powertrip or they are lazy to do their job. Problem is even if your right.. where to go for complaints.. and is it worth all the time you lose. 

 

 

Another example, my son and his first wife were married at her local Roi Et amphur office. They decided to divorce, went to local amphur in Bkk, officer told them can only divorce at same office where married.

 

Second officer joined the discussion saying that my thai son (they had noticed my son's family name was a very typical western name) had to, by law, make a settlement payout of 100,000Baht.

 

They went to another Bkk amphur office, all finished in 30 minutes, 20 Baht fee, no mention of any settlement.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

 

Another example, my son and his first wife were married at her local Roi Et amphur office. They decided to divorce, went to local amphur in Bkk, officer told them can only divorce at same office where married.

 

Second officer joined the discussion saying that my thai son (they had noticed my son's family name was a very typical western name) had to, by law, make a settlement payout of 100,000Baht.

 

They went to another Bkk amphur office, all finished in 30 minutes, 20 Baht fee, no mention of any settlement.

 

 

This mirrors my experience, sometimes they just don't want to do the work and try everything they can to get out under their responsibilities. But even if you can complain.. a procedure like that would be real time consuming and would probably not accomplish much, going to an other amphur would be faster (as your son and as I did)

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1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Too bad the NLA will spend time on more important matters like curbing the problem of stray pets than reviewing current laws to curb civil servant corruptions.  

Eric, I think the dart-board registration scheme is probably the topic you were looking for.

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It puts the rice scheme into perspective...and all past elected government challenges (dealing with the cultural "freeloader" mandatory handouts)

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1 hour ago, robblok said:

Yea or in the past YL trying to get her brother back instead of cleaning this up... come on Eric don't make this political as it is not political at all and has been around for decades and not linked to the color of shirts.

Of course it is political, and Eric made an entirely valid point.

This regime made corruption one of the primary excuses for seizing power - do you not remember?

 

They have consistently and regularly trumpeted numerous initiatives and campaigns to stamp it out, have you not noticed?

 

They have been in power for some four years, yet corruption has continued unabated, both at the personal level, (watches anyone?) and institutionally, it appears on an"eye popping" scale, or have you overlooked that?

 

I don't deny that corruption predates this regime, but it has flourished under it. It is as political as it gets...

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19 minutes ago, JAG said:

Of course it is political, and Eric made an entirely valid point.

This regime made corruption one of the primary excuses for seizing power - do you not remember?

 

They have consistently and regularly trumpeted numerous initiatives and campaigns to stamp it out, have you not noticed?

 

They have been in power for some four years, yet corruption has continued unabated, both at the personal level, (watches anyone?) and institutionally, it appears on an"eye popping" scale, or have you overlooked that?

 

I don't deny that corruption predates this regime, but it has flourished under it. It is as political as it gets...

Care to prove that corruption flourished under this regime anymore then the previous ones ? Right now I have not seen any corruption scandals topping the 36 Billion (not million)  lost in fake G2G deals (as proven in court)

 

You are right that the junta has made fighting corruption as one of their primary roles and that they have failed (see watch scandal and others). 

 

The corruption is huge, but this corruption is the same as before and should be combated. All corruption should be eradicated but that is just not going to happen overnight. We will see how this is attacked but sadly I think it won't be attacked enough and many people will escape justice. 

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