Popular Post jimn Posted March 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2018 I was at Chon Buri (Pattaya) immigration yesterday to obtain a re entry visa. On the way out I picked up some extra immigration forms TM 7, 8 and 30. On the back of the TM30 form there was a clear photocopy of a Russian citizens passport. The photocopy was not signed. This is a clear breach of a persons personal information and could lead to identity theft if it gets into the wrong hands. Obviously they are reusing the paper that people submit with their visa applications and photocopying the forms on the other side. This is an aweful security breach by them and needs to be highlighted. Unbeleivable!!! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThaidDown Posted March 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2018 Old news, its been going on for years at many Immigration Offices. Agree with your point about possibly aiding identity theft but will it change, probably not. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I have seen this at banks too, they don't care about things like this in Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Yes been going on for years. [emoji45] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 300sd Posted March 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2018 That simple attitude is everywhere: "we just don't care." No pride in anything they do. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Proboscis Posted March 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2018 It would be yours or some other foreigner's identity that would be stolen, not theirs. Not their problem 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HooHaa Posted March 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2018 i use them to open bitcoin accounts. 1 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grumbleweed Posted March 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2018 and considering that 123456 is their password of choice, it's easy to see why the CIA and MI5 are envious of the level of security in this place 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Suradit69 Posted March 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, 300sd said: That simple attitude is everywhere: "we just don't care." No pride in anything they do. And another excuse for those who think they're holier than thou to spout off. I wonder how many people have had their identity stolen via Jomtien Immigrations forms compared to the slipshod care for identity in the west. Farang just seem to not take pride in anything they do. Maybe immigrations should just charge Baht 50 for every pristine form you want or tell you to print your own off the Internet. Quote About 1 in every 16 U.S. adults were victims of ID theft last year (6.15%) — and the incidence rate jumped some 16% year over year. This despite 2016 being the first full year that brick-and-mortar retailers were forced to accept more secure EMV chip cards or face liability consequences. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2017/02/06/identity-theft-hit-all-time-high-2016/97398548/ Quote Identity theft has reached epidemic levels in the UK, with incidents of this type of fraud running at almost 500 a day, according to the latest figures. During the first six months of this year there were a record 89,000 cases of identity fraud, which typically involves criminals pretending to be an individual in order to steal their money, buy items or take out a loan or car insurance in their name. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/aug/23/identity-fraud-figures-cifas-theft 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLover Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 You should have drawn a big phallic symbol on the face portion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloggie Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) Must be your first time at Immigration :-) Anyway, if you give Immigration a copy of your passport, draw 2 Parallel lines diagonally across the document copy and write something like "Only for purposes of Thai Immigration" & date (or whatever is appropriate) in between the lines. That is quite standard in Thailand when you need to give copies of important documents to all and sundry. Edited March 14, 2018 by Cloggie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Suradit69 said: And another excuse for those who think they're holier than thou to spout off. I wonder how many people have had their identity stolen via Jomtien Immigrations forms compared to the slipshod care for identity in the west. Farang just seem to not take pride in anything they do. Maybe immigrations should just charge Baht 50 for every pristine form you want or tell you to print your own off the Internet. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2017/02/06/identity-theft-hit-all-time-high-2016/97398548/ https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/aug/23/identity-fraud-figures-cifas-theft The holier than thou are found in many forms; some in uniforms, some in plain clothes, some in religious garb and some at the keyboard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Cloggie said: Must be your first time at Immigration :-) Anyway, if you give Immigration a copy of your passport, draw 2 Parallel lines diagonally across the document copy and write something like "Only for purposes of Thai Immigration" & date (or whatever is appropriate) in between the lines. That is quite standard in Thailand when you need to give copies of important documents to all and sundry. I can't talk about the specific case at Chonburi immigration, but from what i got in other offices i assume that the copies that you get this way were never in the hand of the owner. Probably these copies were produced when they copied the wrong document, made too many copies of a document, or what ever. So no chance to sign it If you want to protect yourself from this you have to make copies by yourself, sign them, write the purpose and date on it as you suggested, and make sure your passport never leaves your sight when you show it to anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaZa9 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Of course , if they are recycling our photocopies and not storing them , the question has to be asked as to why they need our copies in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak2002003 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, zaZa9 said: Of course , if they are recycling our photocopies and not storing them , the question has to be asked as to why they need our copies in the first place. Either. Stupidity and laziness to simply change the process OR To make are lives awkward and make us feel inferior and not welcome. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sumarianson Posted March 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) They ask for copies of the same things each year and so every few years they get recycled. Thailand is a major contributor to global warming and deforestation as a result of their antiquated paper system in this world of paperless technology. They have all the modern gadgets at their disposal but the mindset is still in the 1940s. They can't even get the online 90 day reporting system working. Instead of ques for 90 day report numbers, why not a machine on the entrance to the section and take one of the police off the que line and put them doing 90 day reports. Also have a seperate section and que for the people with 20 passports to process at one time. Wouldn't it be lovely to have a 12 monthly report of your address ( at the time of extension renewal) if you have bought a condo or house and permenently resident there. A letter from the juristic or copies of a few bills in your name would do the trick, That would certainly do wonders for the property market. People really dont like the trek to Changwattana from 45 or 50Km away and it may persuade those with the funds available to purchase rather than rent. The money and day wasted would also incentavise. That would be too much trouble though eh? Edited March 14, 2018 by Sumarianson Change 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, zaZa9 said: Of course , if they are recycling our photocopies and not storing them , the question has to be asked as to why they need our copies in the first place. They keep the copies required for what ever you are doing in a file. Any that are not needed are the ones that are reused in some cases. Every new application or report requires new copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surasak Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, jackdd said: I can't talk about the specific case at Chonburi immigration, but from what i got in other offices i assume that the copies that you get this way were never in the hand of the owner. Probably these copies were produced when they copied the wrong document, made too many copies of a document, or what ever. So no chance to sign it If you want to protect yourself from this you have to make copies by yourself, sign them, write the purpose and date on it as you suggested, and make sure your passport never leaves your sight when you show it to anybody. Not so easy to ensure your passport never leaves your sight when renewing the extension. It is usually taken to the Captain for verification of being correctly completed, who sits behind a closed screen, at the I.O I go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryasimight Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 What has the OP done to highlight this 'clear breach of a person's personal information '? Bring it to the immediate attention of the most senior officer on duty? Report it to the Russian Embassy? I thought so...... Nothing!!! By the way I would have done nothing either.... And certainly not shred my nightie in public on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 If you are using the second side then you are in no danger. Our office did some of my copies on "recycled" paper (technical papers), CW immigration rejected them because of "irrelevant" information on the reverse. Yea cannae win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcab Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, zaZa9 said: Of course , if they are recycling our photocopies and not storing them , the question has to be asked as to why they need our copies in the first place. Answer 1: The (quite enormous) annual budget for paper is always mysteriously empty by the middle of January. Answer 2: The document storage company which has contracts with multiple government departments is owned by a certain persons cousin. By reusing the paper in the manner you describe it means that there is 1. no need to worry about the paper budget and 2. the storage company does not need to take too much away to store. Perfect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Crossy said: If you are using the second side then you are in no danger. Our office did some of my copies on "recycled" paper (technical papers), CW immigration rejected them because of "irrelevant" information on the reverse. Yea cannae win Not really much to stop you copying the page again (relevant side only) or even scanning it into a computer. Still a breach of personal information whichever way you look at it. And again, not just immigration. A few years ago I was doing my annual medical at a very well known hospital and at the end, during my talk and final inspection by the GM doctor, he started talking about treatment for an abdominal infection which hadn't shown up in any of the tests during the medical. It turned out that the medical records that he was referencing weren't mine at all but another expat's (who I know well) who happened to have the same first christian name (not even surname) hence leading to the mistake! I understand that mistakes happen, but when I left the doctor's office, the nurses at the reception were having a full on debate using the other Chris's full name repeatedly going through his list of ailments in front of a full waiting room. For some reason that really p1ssed me off that medical confidential information like that was so openly transmitted in such an unprofessional way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Same as most of the paperwork everywhere, hotels photocopying passports, buying phone SIM places photocopying passport information. Of course some of those pass on that information to people and places it should not go. No policies exist, no penalties exist for not safeguarding or disposing of properly. Just imagine how much paper and copies immigration produces every week or month or year. How much is archived and when and where or trashed? Burned? Landfilled? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 ...each station office plays by their own rules... not a surprize.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamesgplayemail Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 ID cards and passports from all around the world are indexed in Google image... no need to go to immigration.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 19 hours ago, ThaidDown said: Old news, its been going on for years at many Immigration Offices. Agree with your point about possibly aiding identity theft but will it change, probably not. I await that amazing coincidence day when I turn over the form and it is my passport copy on the reverse side, and I will buy lottery tickets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) Do they still sell food in paper bags made out of old newsprint or whatever second-hand paper that is pasted together by kids and old folks? I'm not talking about "recycled", but directly reused. Edited March 14, 2018 by Damrongsak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sealbash Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Old news, its been going on for years at many Immigration Offices. Agree with your point about possibly aiding identity theft but will it change, probably not. Not sure what information is on a passport page that can lead to identity theft. Name, date of birth. This information is readily available on the internet. Secure encrypted passwords offer the best protection. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R123 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Its' also an invasion of privacy- in effect -giving information about a persons private detail to all and sundry. Totally thoughtless and probably done to save on paper without regard to anyone's rights. There is a long stay establishment/hotel in Pattaya that does the same using records of other guests' stay on one side of the paper which is then used to print out invoice to guest when paying bills. The guest stay records reveal the full name and other info about the guest, how many persons stay in the room plus extra charge for over night visitors etc... TiT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I would add that here in the USA, Florida, when I recently got my "gold star" license that the TSA forced down people's throats, I had to bring my passport, two recent bills, etc. to the DMV. They copied them and then did..? Who knows? I said to the lady there is a lot of personal information there. What are you doing with it? Are storing it, throwing it away, scanning it in, then burning the documents? She had no answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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