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The ramrod of the operation is taged up with many FB&line groups. The below photos are what she calls "Sweet Israel Grass". I am told it has 20% protein and it came from her source out of Kalasin. She and her group had about 80 kilos of the grass stock sent to them. As you can tell see is cutting the root stock off for replanting. This gras is about 6 weeks old. Any info would be appreciated.

 

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Sweet Israel Grass, that is a new one to me, a look at Google nothing like this in the photos come up, has the name from Thai into English been lost in translation? can you type the name in Thai, or do as I have done type the name in Thai into Thai Google, normal it will give you the botanical  name  in English, and you can go from there,

Looking at at that grass it  looks like Nappier  Packchon or Elephant Grass, both have the same  botanical name ,but they are slightly different, if it is the protein will not be 20 %, no more than 9-10 %, that sample looks like a young grass cattle will  like that .

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13 minutes ago, kickstart said:

Sweet Israel Grass, that is a new one to me, a look at Google nothing like this in the photos come up, has the name from Thai into English been lost in translation? can you type the name in Thai, or do as I have done type the name in Thai into Thai Google, normal it will give you the botanical  name  in English, and you can go from there,

Looking at at that grass it  looks like Nappier  Packchon or Elephant Grass, both have the same  botanical name ,but they are slightly different, if it is the protein will not be 20 %, no more than 9-10 %, that sample looks like a young grass cattle will  like that .

Thats what the wife calls it. I tend to believe its a Nappier grass very strong relations.

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Do the bespoken crossbreeds have horns?

Are there horn less beef cattle breeding lines available in Thailand?

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26 minutes ago, CLW said:

Do the bespoken crossbreeds have horns?

Are there horn less beef cattle breeding lines available in Thailand?

 

Some do and some don't.

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Sweet Israel grass is nappier grass, as the name suggests it is a strain from Israel.
My wife is growing some, grows well, looks good.
She bought it from a farm at Khonkaen.
I not doubt that but this is absolutely new to me.
Looking forward to get more information.
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21 hours ago, colinneil said:

 

 

 

Sweet Israel grass is nappier grass, as the name suggests it is a strain from Israel.

My wife is growing some, grows well, looks good.

She bought it from a farm at Khonkaen.

 Thanks for your insight. My wife bought hers out of Kalasin. My research is showing me that the Israeli Agriculture Ministry was invited by the Thai Embassy from Tel Aviv for a visit to Thailand in 2012 and that visit was to the isaan area and this is pretty much where the sweet israeli grass was brought in. 

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23 hours ago, CLW said:

Do the bespoken crossbreeds have horns?

Are there horn less beef cattle breeding lines available in Thailand?

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Do crossbreeds have horns,yes and no ,depends on the breed this photo is of Mum and dauter,mum is a Simental xFresainx Brahmaen Indo brazil ,she has no horns ,the Simentail from her mother was polled, (natraly haveing no horns ) ,her dauter is a Brangus,Angus xBrahman ,almost 10 months old she has no horns ,the Angus is a natraly polled breed ,so this heiffer has no horns ,this is her 6th calf, her past calves ,a Droughtmaster polled ,the Charalia and Brahman's calves had horns ,an Angus' calf was polled .

We have other Brangus cattle and they have horns, we have Brangus heifer 15 months old horns are they but not showing, will be no more than 4-5 inches long when she has grown up.

In the farm photos Slugs11 photo of  his Braford, cow, and calf, they will not have horns, Bradford is a Hereford x Brahman, the Hereford breed being naturally polled, but some bloodlines do have horns

So, it all depends on  breeding my cow is in calf ,this time to a Brahman, I would say that calf will have horns, as she is only 25% Simmental the naturally polled triant  will not be they the whole time, a sire and dam that are polled the offspring should all be polled.

This year we will have a Beefmaster x Brangus calf that should be polled, they are some polled Beefmaster breeds, not certain if mine is one, the main thing I looked at was an easy calving  breed 

As you have worked out, polled cattle are available in Thailand, the crossbreeds are all Europen or USA  breeds. 

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Do crossbreeds have horns,yes and no ,depends on the breed this photo is of Mum and dauter,mum is a Simental xFresainx Brahmaen Indo brazil ,she has no horns ,the Simentail from her mother was polled, (natraly haveing no horns ) ,her dauter is a Brangus,Angus xBrahman ,almost 10 months old she has no horns ,the Angus is a natraly polled breed ,so this heiffer has no horns ,this is her 6th calf, her past calves ,a Droughtmaster polled ,the Charalia and Brahman's calves had horns ,an Angus' calf was polled .
We have other Brangus cattle and they have horns, we have Brangus heifer 15 months old horns are they but not showing, will be no more than 4-5 inches long when she has grown up.
In the farm photos Slugs11 photo of  his Braford, cow, and calf, they will not have horns, Bradford is a Hereford x Brahman, the Hereford breed being naturally polled, but some bloodlines do have horns
So, it all depends on  breeding my cow is in calf ,this time to a Brahman, I would say that calf will have horns, as she is only 25% Simmental the naturally polled triant  will not be they the whole time, a sire and dam that are polled the offspring should all be polled.
This year we will have a Beefmaster x Brangus calf that should be polled, they are some polled Beefmaster breeds, not certain if mine is one, the main thing I looked at was an easy calving  breed 
As you have worked out, polled cattle are available in Thailand, the crossbreeds are all Europen or USA  breeds. 
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Thanks KS. Great information as always. I just could find out from the internet that the no horn trait is dominant. Therefore if you cross a no horn bull with a regular cow it should be horn less, right? At least in the first generation. And than I followed your description that the trait is segregating as usual in genetics.
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25 minutes ago, CLW said:
30 minutes ago, kickstart said:
Do crossbreeds have horns,yes and no ,depends on the breed this photo is of Mum and dauter,mum is a Simental xFresainx Brahmaen Indo brazil ,she has no horns ,the Simentail from her mother was polled, (natraly haveing no horns ) ,her dauter is a Brangus,Angus xBrahman ,almost 10 months old she has no horns ,the Angus is a natraly polled breed ,so this heiffer has no horns ,this is her 6th calf, her past calves ,a Droughtmaster polled ,the Charalia and Brahman's calves had horns ,an Angus' calf was polled .
We have other Brangus cattle and they have horns, we have Brangus heifer 15 months old horns are they but not showing, will be no more than 4-5 inches long when she has grown up.
In the farm photos Slugs11 photo of  his Braford, cow, and calf, they will not have horns, Bradford is a Hereford x Brahman, the Hereford breed being naturally polled, but some bloodlines do have horns
So, it all depends on  breeding my cow is in calf ,this time to a Brahman, I would say that calf will have horns, as she is only 25% Simmental the naturally polled triant  will not be they the whole time, a sire and dam that are polled the offspring should all be polled.
This year we will have a Beefmaster x Brangus calf that should be polled, they are some polled Beefmaster breeds, not certain if mine is one, the main thing I looked at was an easy calving  breed 
As you have worked out, polled cattle are available in Thailand, the crossbreeds are all Europen or USA  breeds. 
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Thanks KS. Great information as always. I just could find out from the internet that the no horn trait is dominant. Therefore if you cross a no horn bull with a regular cow it should be horn less, right? At least in the first generation. And than I followed your description that the trait is segregating as usual in genetics.

 

28 minutes ago, CLW said:
32 minutes ago, kickstart said:
Do crossbreeds have horns,yes and no ,depends on the breed this photo is of Mum and dauter,mum is a Simental xFresainx Brahmaen Indo brazil ,she has no horns ,the Simentail from her mother was polled, (natraly haveing no horns ) ,her dauter is a Brangus,Angus xBrahman ,almost 10 months old she has no horns ,the Angus is a natraly polled breed ,so this heiffer has no horns ,this is her 6th calf, her past calves ,a Droughtmaster polled ,the Charalia and Brahman's calves had horns ,an Angus' calf was polled .
We have other Brangus cattle and they have horns, we have Brangus heifer 15 months old horns are they but not showing, will be no more than 4-5 inches long when she has grown up.
In the farm photos Slugs11 photo of  his Braford, cow, and calf, they will not have horns, Bradford is a Hereford x Brahman, the Hereford breed being naturally polled, but some bloodlines do have horns
So, it all depends on  breeding my cow is in calf ,this time to a Brahman, I would say that calf will have horns, as she is only 25% Simmental the naturally polled triant  will not be they the whole time, a sire and dam that are polled the offspring should all be polled.
This year we will have a Beefmaster x Brangus calf that should be polled, they are some polled Beefmaster breeds, not certain if mine is one, the main thing I looked at was an easy calving  breed 
As you have worked out, polled cattle are available in Thailand, the crossbreeds are all Europen or USA  breeds. 
RIMG0629.thumb.JPG.d7fe4911a2bcb847e42e735824623280.JPG

Thanks KS. Great information as always. I just could find out from the internet that the no horn trait is dominant. Therefore if you cross a no horn bull with a regular cow it should be horn less, right? At least in the first generation. And than I followed your description that the trait is segregating as usual in genetics.

Could not have put it better myself,my Native Thai cow has a bull   about the same age, same sire ,he has horns ,but he will be only 33% Angus ,breeds being Thai native, Angus, Brahman, the trait is not they ,but if he served an Angus cow it would be 83% Angus the trait would be they .

Talk of trait's the Brangus breed is all black ,black is a dominant color in breeding, why she is this colour I do not know, except his grandfather mum's sire  was red, or the Brangus semen come from SK farm Pattaya ,one of they own bulls ,they are in to Red Brahmans ,his other grandfather could have been a Red Brahman ,but the leggy Indo Brazil, has come out in her 

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2 hours ago, khwaibah said:

 Thanks for your insight. My wife bought hers out of Kalasin. My research is showing me that the Israeli Agriculture Ministry was invited by the Thai Embassy from Tel Aviv for a visit to Thailand in 2012 and that visit was to the isaan area and this is pretty much where the sweet israeli grass was brought in. 

 

 

What bit I know of Israeli farming it is intensive, lot of irrigated crops. 

Let's see how this grass grows on poor Issan soil without a lot of inputs.

 

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16 minutes ago, kickstart said:

 

 

What bit I know of Israeli farming it is intensive, lot of irrigated crops. 

Let's see how this grass grows on poor Issan soil without a lot of inputs.

 

The plot my wife has planted is growing well, before the area had turkeys on it for just over 1 year, no other fertilizer has been applied.

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10 hours ago, kickstart said:

 

 

What bit I know of Israeli farming it is intensive, lot of irrigated crops. 

Let's see how this grass grows on poor Issan soil without a lot of inputs.

 

Growing like a weed on ours and others.

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4 hours ago, khwaibah said:

Growing like a weed on ours and others.

Maybe growing well now ,see what it is like when 2-3 cuts are taken, and it has exhausted  all the nutrients available, and if we have a wet year or a lot of sudden rain and it gets waterlogged will it still grow, think this time next year.

Still, think some urea will be needed to keep it going.

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