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What new rules? Share please!

News i have heard from the staff of MOE during their visit to School.

Starting next year at start of School year, (i only heard this from MOE staff!! not the big wig)All new English Teachers that have not gone through the proper procedures of applying and obtaining their work permits previously will have to obtain a certified letter from their Embassy stating their degree is real, will have to sign a document at school for MOE giving permission for them to receive documents from graduating University. Then license will be processed for work permit. (after they have recieved confirmation from University) maybe this is all old news for some of you but thought i would share what they told me. A push to curb the tourist teachers?????

I would like to thank the person from here that helped me with some lesson plans for M5 classes but i can not remember your nick name here but thanks again.

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What new rules? Share please!

News i have heard from the staff of MOE during their visit to School.

Starting next year at start of School year, (i only heard this from MOE staff!! not the big wig)All new English Teachers that have not gone through the proper procedures of applying and obtaining their work permits previously will have to obtain a certified letter from their Embassy stating their degree is real, will have to sign a document at school for MOE giving permission for them to receive documents from graduating University. Then license will be processed for work permit. (after they have recieved confirmation from University) maybe this is all old news for some of you but thought i would share what they told me. A push to curb the tourist teachers?????

I would like to thank the person from here that helped me with some lesson plans for M5 classes but i can not remember your nick name here but thanks again.

^ Should be a laugh!

Tourist teachers generally don't have WPs (which is well bad and illegal and that!), so doubt it will effect them.

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What new rules? Share please!

News i have heard from the staff of MOE during their visit to School.

Starting next year at start of School year, (i only heard this from MOE staff!! not the big wig)All new English Teachers that have not gone through the proper procedures of applying and obtaining their work permits previously will have to obtain a certified letter from their Embassy stating their degree is real, will have to sign a document at school for MOE giving permission for them to receive documents from graduating University. Then license will be processed for work permit. (after they have recieved confirmation from University) maybe this is all old news for some of you but thought i would share what they told me. A push to curb the tourist teachers?????

I would like to thank the person from here that helped me with some lesson plans for M5 classes but i can not remember your nick name here but thanks again.

I think it's a HUGE leap forward if the MoE actually starts properly verifying credentials. I sincerely hope it hapens. It would go a LONG way in improving the teaching profession here, I believe.

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Yes... there will be a painful transition period for many schools, no doubt, but in the end it will help the profession and help the real teachers- who must put up with so many mickey-mouse schools that refuse to process the correct paperwork! It shouldn't take years to get a proper job with proper paperwork (as it did for me here!)

"Steven"

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It would go a long way to stopping a lot of kids getting English lessons as well, which is the sad thing!

Ken, why do you think that?

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Well because as a lot of people have said those with teaching degrees (to me checking that someone's histroy degree is real, still isn't going to help the 'quality' of teachers improve here so I assume this is only for those with a specific teaching qualifications?) won't work in Thailand for the money that is paid. So you're going to end up with a few teachers at the better paying schools, and zero teachers elsewhere (i.e. at lower paying schools).

Personally I think there should be some kind of tier (sp?) to teaching so those with specific teaching quals would be top of the heap, those with unrelated degrees and a TEFL and/or experience should be next (maybe with TEFL holders with a fair amount of experience on an even level with them) and then TEFL holders with no degree/quals could be working and earning the slightly lower wages. Thus the 'better' paying schools get the 'better' teachers and the 'lower' paying schools can still get a good teacher, for a reasonable wage. Although there should still be some kind of test or something by the MoE to make sure the teachers are at the very least capable of teaching.

At the moment due to fake degrees, etc. you can and do have qualified teachers earning a lot less than a KSR degree holder.

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Personally I think there should be some kind of tier (sp?) to teaching so those with specific teaching quals would be top of the heap, those with unrelated degrees and a TEFL and/or experience should be next (maybe with TEFL holders with a fair amount of experience on an even level with them) and then TEFL holders with no degree/quals could be working and earning the slightly lower wages. Thus the 'better' paying schools get the 'better' teachers and the 'lower' paying schools can still get a good teacher, for a reasonable wage. Although there should still be some kind of test or something by the MoE to make sure the teachers are at the very least capable of teaching.

[/quote Kenkannif]

This really makes a lot of sense. I'm glad someone finally said it. A TEFL or CELTA

should be the minimum required to obtain a work permit to teach. Of course big international schools will require more, but it would enable the small schools and language schools to hire teachers and still be legal, teacher is legal/ school is legal.

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Friom my view, checking degrees will weed out most of the General Bullshitters among teachers, which in itself is a positive advancement in the profession, in my book. People who've invested the years and time getting a tertiary degree signal, to me, a person with the drive and willingness to follow through with things in life, and they might offer me a more honest employee who is maybe more capable and willing in an academic setting.

Weeding out the B.S. folks will also serve to make more work available when applicants are more even... I really don't agree that the salaries here are so low, especially when you compare the cost of living and quality of life here. There are plenty of worse places to teach, like China, Japan, Korea, in my experience.

The only way to save money in most entry-level English teaching gigs is to live as cheaply as possible. With an average salary of 250,000 yen per month in Japan for newbies (govt minimum salary), they'll be eating mostly warm noodles anyway, and forget about saving any real money at that level... Living costs in Korea are also quite high, and the governments and societies in Japan, Korea, and China are much less 'free' than Thailand's, in my experience.

For the career teacher, there will continue to be growing opportunities in Thailand, I believe, with considerably higher salaries than is the common starting point here now.

I feel the only negative effect for students will be likely increases in study fees in response to the introduction of better-qualified teachers.. But, this is the nature of all education as costs increase across the board...

Overall, I believe it will be a boom for teachers and students, but lets not forget that all this talk is still strictly in the rumour stage, TiT :D

I also like Ken's idea of a 'tier' system of sorts for teachers. Different qualifications for different teaching needs.... :o

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They'd also have to do away with the one WP to one classroom rule as this can stop even the most qualified teachers from getting a WP! They need to look at realistic solutions to the problems here, rather than sweeping rules that in the long run, while looking and sounding good, don't really help anyone (schools, teachers and students!).

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I'm hoping that if they do in fact get a system like this in place that one major thing would happen.

I would love it if they do make the requirment to check the degree before any paper work is started but.... anyway to make it so once this is all done you never have to do it again?? I mean, why not make a registry with all them that have done it and then they have no need to re-do WP ect... maybe im just in dream land

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I try not to get excited by any rumors about MoE requirements, unless they come from local (provincial) authorities who actually regulate my own employment. I've only been here 18 months, and can't see that this beautiful kingdom is based upon the rule of law. I can admire a well-run governments but don't see it here, which is okay.

What percent of the farang teaching ESL in Thailand have the proper visa, work permit, and teacher's license? Less than 25%, I'll guess. What % have a real bachelor's degree, related to what they teach? Less than 20%, maybe.

I think we have a tier system in Thailand for ESL. The big international schools, the better universities, the best private language school positions - and everything else.

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I try not to get excited by any rumors about MoE requirements, unless they come from local (provincial) authorities who actually regulate my own employment.    I've only been here 18 months, and can't see that this beautiful kingdom is based upon the rule of law.  I can admire a well-run governments but don't see it here, which is okay.

What percent of the farang teaching ESL in Thailand have the proper visa, work permit, and teacher's license?  Less than 25%, I'll guess.  What % have a real bachelor's degree, related to what they teach?  Less than 20%, maybe.

I think we have a tier system in Thailand for ESL.  The big international schools, the better universities, the best private language school positions - and everything else.

What's interesting to me is that the "everyhting else," jobs pay more than government universities and language schools. :o

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I try not to get excited by any rumors about MoE requirements, unless they come from local (provincial) authorities who actually regulate my own employment.    I've only been here 18 months, and can't see that this beautiful kingdom is based upon the rule of law.  I can admire a well-run governments but don't see it here, which is okay.

What percent of the farang teaching ESL in Thailand have the proper visa, work permit, and teacher's license?  Less than 25%, I'll guess.  What % have a real bachelor's degree, related to what they teach?  Less than 20%, maybe.

I think we have a tier system in Thailand for ESL.  The big international schools, the better universities, the best private language school positions - and everything else.

What's interesting to me is that the "everyhting else," jobs pay more than government universities and language schools. :D

How many such examples of 'Thai Style' can you think of? :o

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Hi Steven,

Thanks for this very informative thread - I have been reading with great interest. I'd like to ask your advice. I'm coming out to BKK in Jan with my family (husband & 2 small kids) becaue he's on secondment there for 2 years. I have a BA and CTEFLA, plus about 3 years' experience, mainly in general and business English. I've taught all ages. I haven't taught since 1999, being a full-time mother, but I'd like to get back into teaching at least part-time. We'll be based somewhere near Ekamai. What sort of schools do I have the best chance of getting work in? :o

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