sanemax Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 minute ago, IslandLover said: Don't be so facetious. I was not referring to 'Jim' and well you know. You stated "his twitter posts" without stating who you meant by "him" and I was just asking whether you were referring to Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooHaa Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, OzzyJohn said: Yet again, another 'contributor' claims they personally know something about this man. How can this possibly be perceived as an impartial forum????????? It never has been, and you, personally, have helped feed the fire. This is a forum that makes it money based on traffic, and traffic is generated by clicks and content. Your contributions here ar ensuring the thread gets both additional views and additional comments. In essence, you are your own, or kens worst enemy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyJohn Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, HooHaa said: It never has been, and you, personally, have helped feed the fire. This is a forum that makes it money based on traffic, and traffic is generated by clicks and content. Your contributions here ar ensuring the thread gets both additional views and additional comments. In essence, you are your own, or kens worst enemy here. A very good point. Thank you. I'm beginning to realise this. Sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 A very good point. Thank you. I'm beginning to realise this. Sadly What did you think it was? And how did you happen on it and get involved with this topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyJohn Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 minute ago, mogandave said: What did you think it was? I'm sorry...but i have a bit of a problem understanding practically all of your one liners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jsflynn603 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 I am really confused. Trafficking is the "selling" or literally imprisonment (be it by real imprisonment, or hooking a woman on drugs) women. The article indicates that both are over age 18 and it appears to be nothing other than prostitution. In Thailand about 14% of ALL women work in the sex trade at some time. So every "bar" owner is a sex trafficker? I mean, really, of course he is not allowed to "work" without a permit in Thailand, but come on....every tourist that comes to Thailand for sex finds it, be it from the hooker herself, or from an intermediate, usually the bar owner. So just how is this different? Did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 I'm sorry...but i have a bit of a problem understanding practically all of your one liners. I know I can be confusing, sorry about that. I’ll try to restate:Okay, if I understand correctly, you claim to be disappointed about the click-bait commercial format of the site. Assuming that is the case, what were you hoping to have found? Is that more clear?I also asked that, as this was your first experience with the site:1. How did you happen on the site? And:2. How is it this was the first topic you decided to participate in?I hope these questions are clear as well.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 I am really confused. Trafficking is the "selling" or literally imprisonment (be it by real imprisonment, or hooking a woman on drugs) women. The article indicates that both are over age 18 and it appears to be nothing other than prostitution. In Thailand about 14% of ALL women work in the sex trade at some time. So every "bar" owner is a sex trafficker? I mean, really, of course he is not allowed to "work" without a permit in Thailand, but come on....every tourist that comes to Thailand for sex finds it, be it from the hooker herself, or from an intermediate, usually the bar owner. So just how is this different? Did I miss something? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandLover Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 No wonder Mr. Albertsen doesn't want a lawyer provided by the U.S. Embassy. It seems he was "entrapped" by two U.S. agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyJohn Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, jsflynn603 said: I am really confused. Trafficking is the "selling" or literally imprisonment (be it by real imprisonment, or hooking a woman on drugs) women. The article indicates that both are over age 18 and it appears to be nothing other than prostitution. In Thailand about 14% of ALL women work in the sex trade at some time. So every "bar" owner is a sex trafficker? I mean, really, of course he is not allowed to "work" without a permit in Thailand, but come on....every tourist that comes to Thailand for sex finds it, be it from the hooker herself, or from an intermediate, usually the bar owner. So just how is this different? Did I miss something? Finally, a sensible, accurate contribution! Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyJohn Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, mogandave said: I know I can be confusing, sorry about that. I’ll try to restate: Okay, if I understand correctly, you claim to be disappointed about the click-bait commercial format of the site. Assuming that is the case, what were you hoping to have found? Is that more clear? I also asked that, as this was your first experience with the site: 1. How did you happen on the site? And: 2. How is it this was the first topic you decided to participate in? I hope these questions are clear as well. Thanks A friend sent me the page. And I read the blinkered, naive comments by 'contributors', and the calumnious headlines that these 'intellects' were charmed by. And it disgusted me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcoast Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 I dont see how he actually provided help beyond buying him a meal. It seems more to me like he is trying to interject himself into the whole situation, for whatever reason, by visiting a man he does not know in jail. If the motive was truly altruistic i supect he might just have kept his charitable visit quiet, his posting here does not seem to aid the gentleman in jail in any way. Paragraphing skills are sorely lacking as well.Oh please forgive my laziness and rambling, I was just following TV protocol.What I offered or actually provided is irrelevant, that fact is that I took time out of my day to drive 1.5hrs to the jail in blistering heat on a motorcycle to be of service. My reason is purely humanitarian. Why I posted is questionable, maybe even to myself. Surely second hand word of mouth has some merit, certainly more than the vile accounting dreamed up in some of these posts.Finally, even tho we have only met, not been aquainted, I pity the fool to a degree. The wolves here will do what they will with what they have. I have no agenda, I was curious enough to search for the truth, and reveal what I found. Who the hell set to languish in a Thai prison wouldn't be comforted by a visit from someone they barely ever met. His crime is not so heinous that I am repulsed. Furthermore I was urged by our mutual aquaintance, a fine moral businesswoman with whom I am good friends. I like it when people throw shit on me, it reveals their character. ParagraphedSent from my abacus using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsflynn603 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, mogandave said: Yes Thank you mogandave, perhaps you might be kind enough to summarize just what it is that I missed, please. I read: " 3,000 baht for the women - aged 25 and 18" There was nothing about underage, and 3,000 baht is not human for sale, it's "human for rent" pretty much the same as what happens with bar girls. A short summary would be really nice for there is a monstrous amount of responses here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, OzzyJohn said: No, I'm not. But there is too much vindictiveness on offer here, without anyone thinking about the wider picture. Consider the aspects of all this...the logistics of the 'sting' in particular. Please think laterally. Or at least, please just think. John what you are reading here is normal my man There is a reason Thaivisa members have the reputation we have You need to lay back and think of whatever 5555555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 I am really confused. Trafficking is the "selling" or literally imprisonment (be it by real imprisonment, or hooking a woman on drugs) women. The article indicates that both are over age 18 and it appears to be nothing other than prostitution. In Thailand about 14% of ALL women work in the sex trade at some time. So every "bar" owner is a sex trafficker? I mean, really, of course he is not allowed to "work" without a permit in Thailand, but come on....every tourist that comes to Thailand for sex finds it, be it from the hooker herself, or from an intermediate, usually the bar owner. So just how is this different? Did I miss something? The women are Burmese. Trafficking is moving people across borders, often against their will, for illegal purposes. Hence, it's trafficking.Sent from my SM-A500F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyJohn Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, wcoast said: Oh please forgive my laziness and rambling, I was just following TV protocol. What I offered or actually provided is irrelevant, that fact is that I took time out of my day to drive 1.5hrs to the jail in blistering heat on a motorcycle to be of service. My reason is purely humanitarian. Why I posted is questionable, maybe even to myself. Surely second hand word of mouth has some merit, certainly more than the vile accounting dreamed up in some of these posts. Finally, even tho we have only met, not been aquainted, I pity the fool to a degree. The wolves here will do what they will with what they have. I have no agenda, I was curious enough to search for the truth, and reveal what I found. Who the hell set to languish in a Thai prison wouldn't be comforted by a visit from someone they barely ever met. His crime is not so heinous that I am repulsed. Furthermore I was urged by our mutual aquaintance, a fine moral businesswoman with whom I am good friends. I like it when people throw shit on me, it reveals their character. Paragraphed Sent from my abacus using Tapatalk Good on you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyJohn Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 ????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyJohn Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, oldlakey said: John what you are reading here is normal my man There is a reason Thaivisa members have the reputation we have You need to lay back and think of whatever 5555555 Yeah..don't i know it. But, come on please...this is a guy's life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 A friend sent me the page. And I read the blinkered, naive comments by 'contributors', and the calumnious headlines that these 'intellects' were charmed by. And it disgusted me.So you have a friend that is a regular on the site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsflynn603 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said: The women are Burmese. Trafficking is moving people across borders, often against their will, for illegal purposes. Hence, it's trafficking. Sent from my SM-A500F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Thank you, yes, against their will... and prostitution is illegal, though when I lived in Chaing mai, that really did not seem to the the case at all. Here is what I thought trafficking is: Merriam Webster “Definition of human trafficking : organized criminal activity in which human beings are treated as possessions to be controlled and exploited (as by being forced into prostitution or involuntary labor)” US Homeland Security “What Is Human Trafficking? | Homeland Security: Human trafficking is modern-day slavery and involves the use of force, fraud, or coercion to obtain some type of labor or commercial sex act. United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime “What is Human Trafficking? Article 3, paragraph (a) of the Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons defines Trafficking in Persons as the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation. Exploitation shall include, at a minimum, the exploitation of the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labour or services, slavery or practices similar to slavery, servitude or the removal of organs” I guess it can be called trafficking then, sort of, after all if you remove all the words like force, and threat, then yes, prostitution is listed therein, yet then it must be the same as what, 5,000 bars in Thailand do routinely. I just find some of the responses here odd, have there been a huge influx of Baptists since I last visited, or perhaps a wave of born-again converts that appears to be so eager to point fingers at what (I'm guessing and of course, I'm innocent) about half of us here, partake or have partaken in. After all, if you have EVER paid, then you are a trafficker--uh, sort of by one of the three definitions. (sort of...maybe) But thank you for your response and you have an absolute right to your point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyJohn Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, oldlakey said: John what you are reading here is normal my man There is a reason Thaivisa members have the reputation we have You need to lay back and think of whatever 5555555 Yeah..don't i know it. But, come on please...this is a guy's life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyJohn Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 minute ago, mogandave said: So you have a friend that is a regular on the site? I have no idea whether he is a 'regular'. And why is this pertinent? You ask very strange questions, in a very creepy way. I hope you don't mind me alluding to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, OzzyJohn said: Yeah..don't i know it. But, come on please...this is a guy's life You will just have to get used to the holier than thou members who are very picky about what they are holy about Thats if you intend on sticking around any length of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, OzzyJohn said: I have no idea whether he is a 'regular'. And why is this pertinent? You ask very strange questions, in a very creepy way. I hope you don't mind me alluding to this You are getting the hang of this John 55555555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyJohn Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, oldlakey said: You are getting the hang of this John 55555555 8 minutes ago, oldlakey said: You are getting the hang of this John 55555555 You sound like you're preparing me for initiation into some kind of expat masonic sect, And you're the Big Eagle. We should meet up first and get pissed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, OzzyJohn said: You sound like you're preparing me for initiation into some kind of expat masonic sect, And you're the Big Eagle. We should meet up first and get pissed! You are far more intelligent, and even handed than yours truly so should not get into too much bother on here unlike myself I will leave you to it 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 @wcoast: Thanks for posting and thanks for taking the time to make the arduous journey to see him. He's in a pretty unenviable position. Like some of the posters, I don't think what he did was all that terrible, but it is against the law and foreigners need to be very careful when living in a foreign country. If you look at some of the things that happen to people who travel through the ME with prescription medication, you get an idea of how strict some places can be. He helped bring people across a border for illegal purposes; prostitution is illegal in Thailand. From a legal point of view I don't think he has much of a leg to stand on. He has a Facebook page advertising it and he accepted money for it. He was an easy mark and he was actively involved. He's not a lot different than the police picking up the guy selling a small quantity of drugs. They are easy picking. Hopefully he will receive fair treatment from the Judicial system. He is not a fish in the troubled pond, but he is far from being a big fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzyJohn Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, oldlakey said: You are far more intelligent, and even handed than yours truly so should not get into too much bother on here unlike myself I will leave you to it 555 You're an odd one. I can't work you out. How do YOU perceive all this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Please stay on topic and stop with the personal commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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