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Immigration woes —- Again?

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3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

HA.  And not all of us need a Mommy to do it.......

 

Not all of us are so well loved.  :)

 

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2am. Arrived at CM IMM to process my retirement extension of stay. 6 chairs ahead of me with bits of paper on them indicating seat holders but they’re nowhere to be seen.

3am. More seat holders arrive. 2 guys add 5 more stools to the line. The seat holders in front of me no one has shown. So 14 stools in line and except for me no one else is actually here tho a few sitters are walking around elsewhere. 

4am. 16 stools lined up. Still no seat holders actually at their stools but some are outside where there is air flow and are laying down or sleeping on the stairs and grounds. 

5am. Some jerk came and started moving stools where people were not physically present. I was walking around and caught him taking my stool and started a second parallel que with my stool first. Imagine the arguments that would occur when those who arrived hours ago found they were behind later arrivals. His philosophy was if you weren’t sitting on your stool you weren’t in the que. I put a stop to that and told him to back to the end of the que that 20+ others had respectfully followed. 

6am. 40+ in retirement / student visa renewal que. Chased out another que jumper. A thai youth who placed a stool at the very front and tried to claim he thought that was the end of the que line.

7am. There’s a sign posted by IMM that seems read that they’ll process only 60 retirement AND student renewals total per day- 25 in the morning & 35 in the afternoon. There’s now 80+ people in the retirement/ student visa que.



8:05am. Que tickets being passed out. I got #8 (#3008) and am the first retiree. The 7 in front of me are student extensions. 

8:47am. First retirement/ student extension number called. IMM never prepared to serve anyone when they open for business at 8:30am. First person apparently short on some paperwork and left returning at 08:58. No next number served. First person finished at 09:00. Second number called at 09:00. Did not appear but I suspect since they were family with the first person they were processed together. 

9:00am. Next applicants  #3-5 were from the same family. Their forms were also not complete. Watched while they left to obtain whatever was missing and the officer’s desks sat empty. #5 didn’t finish until 09:16

9:25am. My number was called.  Done at 09:38 less waiting for return of my passport. Passport returned at 09:50

I asked the officer why they were limiting retirement/ student visa extensions to 60 per day. He replied that was an average and that number fluctuates based on that day’s processing time for applicants. I guess that meant the numbers could be marginally higher if everyone’s paperwork had no issues. But to me the explanation is not logical.

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PICK YOUR ARRIVAL TIME:

 

Arriving at 2:00am.

High chance of getting a number. still have to wait until 10:00 to have everything finished. 8 hours total.

 

Arriving at 5:00am

High chance of getting a number. Estimated time 6 hours. 

If unlucky you will finish after the break time. Add another 2 hours.

 

Arriving at 6:00am

Average chance of getting a number. Wait 9 hours to have everything completed.

 

Arriving at 7:00am

Low chance of getting a number. Wait around 1 1/2 hours to find out! 

Got lucky? Wait total of 9 hours to have everything finished.

 

Arriving at 9:00am

Please come back after break time.

 

Arriving before 1:00pm

Slim chance of getting a number. Wait 4 hours to have everything finished.

 

 

Now 7am still gives you only a "maybe you can get a number". People will be forced to come at 6:00am. After that 6am will only give you a small chance of getting that precarious number. People will be forced to come at 5:00am. 

 

We are playing a game where no-one wins: The Immigration queue game. 

 

Additional Rules of the game for ed visa:

You are behind the girls from Hand To Hand Combat? (They will most certainly be infront you, no matter when you arrive). This will put you behind 10+ other people. 90% chance you won't come out before 3:00pm. BONUS: Immigration guy will tell you to come more early next time!

 

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As far as I'm concerned if your not actually in line you lose your que.  CM sounds terrible.  

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Went to do 90 day report yesterday. Arrived 1:10pm. Out of there at 3:30. I rarely do 90 days reports here but when I have it's always been super efficient and I'm in and out in 15 minutes. I assumed yesterday it would be the same. It was chaos. No student interns helping out anymore, only one staff at the 90 day desk processing reports (and a second officer next to her only processing fines).

 

One tremendously long reception queue for everyone outside, just to get a ticket #. 15 minutes wait later and they suddenly started handing out 90-day tickets randomly to whomever was in reach, I dashed out of the queue and pushed my way to the desk and got a number. My number was 30+ further along so I went off for shopping. Came back an hour later to see it's still only half way through. Hung around and watched. It seems whenever a 90 day report is late (and maybe other situations I'm not sure) the second officer must collect a fine and instead of calling and processing the next ticket, the first officer just sits and gossips until the second officer has completed writing out the fine in long hand and hands it back to her. When I was finally called, it took all of 3 or 4 minutes to process and I'm outta there.

 

So are they going to fill their big new immigration building with more staff, or is it just to house more seats for foreigners to wait. I really am beginning to doubt things will ever improve no matter what.

 

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5 minutes ago, clokwise said:

So are they going to fill their big new immigration building with more staff, or is it just to house more seats for foreigners to wait.

 

So why do you do 90 day reporting in person? 

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13 minutes ago, amexpat said:

 

So why do you do 90 day reporting in person? 

Like I said, it's an easy 15 minutes. ALWAYS has been, until yesterday. I also have other things to do at Prom, so I'm never going there just for the 90 day. I would spend the same amount of time going to the post office and back, but I can also relax knowing it's done and not lost in the post.

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also relax knowing it's done and not lost in the post. Because I do it online.  In the old days I never had a problem with the post.

 

My annual renewal is due soon. I just hope the place isn't flooded with people doing 90 day reports. 

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On 5/16/2018 at 10:48 AM, jeffandgop said:
2am. Arrived at CM IMM to process my retirement extension of stay. 6 chairs ahead of me with bits of paper on them indicating seat holders but they’re nowhere to be seen.

3am. More seat holders arrive. 2 guys add 5 more stools to the line. The seat holders in front of me no one has shown. So 14 stools in line and except for me no one else is actually here tho a few sitters are walking around elsewhere. 

4am. 16 stools lined up. Still no seat holders actually at their stools but some are outside where there is air flow and are laying down or sleeping on the stairs and grounds. 

5am. Some jerk came and started moving stools where people were not physically present. I was walking around and caught him taking my stool and started a second parallel que with my stool first. Imagine the arguments that would occur when those who arrived hours ago found they were behind later arrivals. His philosophy was if you weren’t sitting on your stool you weren’t in the que. I put a stop to that and told him to back to the end of the que that 20+ others had respectfully followed. 

6am. 40+ in retirement / student visa renewal que. Chased out another que jumper. A thai youth who placed a stool at the very front and tried to claim he thought that was the end of the que line.

7am. There’s a sign posted by IMM that seems read that they’ll process only 60 retirement AND student renewals total per day- 25 in the morning & 35 in the afternoon. There’s now 80+ people in the retirement/ student visa que.


8:05am. Que tickets being passed out. I got #8 (#3008) and am the first retiree. The 7 in front of me are student extensions. 

8:47am. First retirement/ student extension number called. IMM never prepared to serve anyone when they open for business at 8:30am. First person apparently short on some paperwork and left returning at 08:58. No next number served. First person finished at 09:00. Second number called at 09:00. Did not appear but I suspect since they were family with the first person they were processed together. 

9:00am. Next applicants  #3-5 were from the same family. Their forms were also not complete. Watched while they left to obtain whatever was missing and the officer’s desks sat empty. #5 didn’t finish until 09:16

9:25am. My number was called.  Done at 09:38 less waiting for return of my passport. Passport returned at 09:50

I asked the officer why they were limiting retirement/ student visa extensions to 60 per day. He replied that was an average and that number fluctuates based on that day’s processing time for applicants. I guess that meant the numbers could be marginally higher if everyone’s paperwork had no issues. But to me the explanation is not logical.

 


'Sleeping on the stairs ', reminds me of people sleeping rough in London, what a sight.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

 

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Co incidence ? My 90 day mail in, which I have been doing successfully for over a decade in CM,this time took 12 working days (received today)

 

 EMS in 21 baht,       3 baht back.   Usually its a max 4 working days

 

I was going to get onto it tomorrow,still a few days up my sleeve, and was dreading going to Prom to find out what had happened to so maybe ,just maybe, staff number are down. Could they be at the new location setting up ? Seems a long shot but as posted the other day construction seems to have been completed.

 

Lot of unanswered questions Imm going back near the airport.....parking? increase in staff numbers ? or a shambles ?

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The counterintuitive mode suggests that since the accepted way is to show up at 8 in the morning, that showing up at 1 pm is far better. It has worked for me.

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And last week it did not. All available que slots were taken up by 9am. Coming in the afternoon would’ve been a waste of time, as mine was when I had arrived at 9:30. 

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My original report today (see #053) did not make clear that only after IMM was handing out que ##’s was it made known that the 6 seats qued up in front of me during the night were actually commandeered by 2 Thai seat sitters covering for 7 paid applicants. Which explains why I never really saw what I expected to be 6 seat sitters. I agree one person one seat. Next time I just may sit in front of those chairs that don’t have a person there for hours on end. 

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22 hours ago, prism said:

Last time I had to deal with the California DMV, I had made an appointment online beforehand. I was done in under an hour including taking the written test. Wish CM immigration had an  online appointment system  

CM Imm used to have an online appointment system for one year extensions -- marriage and retirement.  While it was far from perfect, at least it was something.  They conveniently shut it down when they moved to Promenada because for a time they still did marriage extensions at the old office and retirement extensions at the new office and they said they couldn't break it into two separate queue systems.

 

That was one excuse given for shutting it down.  Another was that there were too many complaints about it.  Yeah, complaints like there were enough appointment slots and agents were using it to book appointments for their clients.

 

So rather than "fix" the problems, it was easier just to shut it down, according to Immigration logic.

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