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Hotel Raids continue in South Pattaya

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18 hours ago, KittenKong said:

Why aren't they raiding more condo buildings? Most of them have many illegal short-term rentals happening and the scope for arrests is huge.

They can start with my building if they like.

Mine, too.  This crackdown on guesthouses will likely just drive more tourists into illegal daily condo rentals. 

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13 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

 

How can they check condos ? Are they visiting each of their hundred of rooms and asking people inside to prove for their status and length of stay ? Seems Mission Impossible to me... :unsure:

 

Also could you please give a few names of these Pattaya condominium already "raided" ?

That's what they get paid for. They don't have to check every condo in the next month.

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6 minutes ago, sam neuts said:

In response to a couple of replies. The recent new design of Arrival/Departure cards and the enforcement of TM30 registration at Immigration for ALL guests within 24 hours of arrival makes it very easy. The immigration computers and the computers at Airports and Land borders can share the information. When you leave Thailand if the TM30 box has not been confirmed you may  then bee asked details of your accommodation.

They are also investigating through OTA's such as Airbnb, Agoda, Booking.com and many more.

It is a laborious process that will take them time but it is happening.

Unfortunately many many businesses think it doesn't affect them because of the previous "under 5 rooms and less than 20 guests" exemption. This no longer applies and ALL rooms for daily/weekly rental require either the licence or exemption certificate clearly displayed at the entrance to the room/building.

There is lots more information on social media with advice, instant business assessment, law and the effect it will have on 10s thousands of businesses and hundreds of thousands of tourists.

In 2016 Bangkok post reported that there were 500,000 illegal rooms, and this was BEFORE the exemption was finished.

Now there are unknown numbers of illegal rooms but they will be raided eventually. It is the LAW.

 

I will post more articles when both travellers and businesses become more interested in learning as they see the raids increasing.

 

Fines can be 10-20,000 THB for every day you have been trading since the August 2016 amendment came into force.

 

Good luck everyone. Both travellers and businesses. This will affect you ALL

Where is this office located where one might be able to get an exception and what business qualifies

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 Seems to me there an overriding point; why wasn't all of this sorted out, serious rules and regulation and structured monitoring and action system developed and implemented 30+ years ago?

 

Answer: totally incapable and corrupt officials, governments which have been focused on 'self help' (for themselves and for decades) rather then development and progress. 

 

Now (and this is just one example) we see the sorry result.

 

 

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The first thing to do is enquire at your District Office which if you are in Pattaya as an example is the Banglamung District Office in Sukhumvit Road. You then arrange an initial inspection by City Hall located in North Pattaya Road You will find out more for each individual case. Then if you require a licence you will need to do many things. Thailand Hotel Act information is found all over social media and Google. Unfortunately most links and advice relates to the old exemption. No longer applies.

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20 minutes ago, sam neuts said:

The first thing to do is enquire at your District Office which if you are in Pattaya as an example is the Banglamung District Office in Sukhumvit Road. You then arrange an initial inspection by City Hall located in North Pattaya Road You will find out more for each individual case. Then if you require a licence you will need to do many things. Thailand Hotel Act information is found all over social media and Google. Unfortunately most links and advice relates to the old exemption. No longer applies.

I conclude from what you are saying is there no longer are exemptions. Very few if any current guesthouses will qualify without major renovation ie; staircase width, parking etc. Seems difficult to believe the Gov will suddenly close down a large percentage of businesses. The other question is why are the shutting down businesses if this doesn't go into effect until 2021.

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18 hours ago, champers said:

I imagine a lot of the larger hotel chains are miffed about losing custom to any Tom, Dick or Harry with spare rooms, especially telling in low season. They may have some clout to exercise and are seemingly doing so.

Yes that is part of it. There are lots of reasons which include knowing where foreigners are by using TM30 along with Arrival/Departure Card. Safety of accommodation provided, regulations regarding environmental impact, revenue collection and many more reasons.

 

The requirement to have a license is no problem and anywhere offering short term rentals should be subject to regulations, taxes etc.....

 

It is that ALL buildings are now under the same legal framework for big hotels down to a private villas, guesthouses, rooms above bars, homestays everything big or small.

 

Example: If you have a residential villa owned by a company and want to rent daily. You require a Hotel Licence. To start your application you visit the District Office and City Hall to request architectural drawings and building assessment, environmental assessment, build code inspection, change of usage to commercial building and a variety of other regulations that will make it near impossible and financially draining. You are not allowed to continue the business until your licence is issued in approximately 6 months.

 

The number of Hotels with a Licence in Pattaya is around 300. The tourist numbers are around 7 million. Please Thailand Hotel Association, do the maths and tell us where people will stay.

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18 hours ago, champers said:

I imagine a lot of the larger hotel chains are miffed about losing custom to any Tom, Dick or Harry with spare rooms, especially telling in low season. They may have some clout to exercise and are seemingly doing so.

I would agree with your reasoning, same situation with getting rid of the street vendors in Bangkok, they were taking business away from those with huge investments in property and rentals.

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"Seems difficult to believe the Gov will suddenly close down a large percentage of businesses. The other question is why are the shutting down businesses if this doesn't go into effect until 2021."

 

It came into effect on 19th August 2016. Government have urged FULL compliance by 2021 as they already understand what a massive situation this is.

 

They are warning people by raiding different styles of accommodation to try and raise awareness without panic because you are correct. A large % of businesses will close.

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3 minutes ago, sam neuts said:

"Seems difficult to believe the Gov will suddenly close down a large percentage of businesses. The other question is why are the shutting down businesses if this doesn't go into effect until 2021."

 

It came into effect on 19th August 2016. Government have urged FULL compliance by 2021 as they already understand what a massive situation this is.

 

They are warning people by raiding different styles of accommodation to try and raise awareness without panic because you are correct. A large % of businesses will close.

What if a guesthouse went to monthly rentals >30 days?

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53 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said:

What if a guesthouse went to monthly rentals >30 days?

That depends on a number of factors including the building, location, number of rooms, building codes, environmental impact and more......Ask at your District Office not City Hall.

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