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1 hour ago, tomster said:

Do you mean it does still apply but you need to get a government department to inspect the premises and issue an exemption certificate?

If you are offering daily/weekly rentals you will require either:

 

Hotel Licence

 

Or

 

Exemption Certificate

 

Whichever one you have must be displayed in a prominent position at the entrance or reception of the building.

 

One or the other.

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31 minutes ago, sam neuts said:

Unless you are not submitting TM30, which is also illegal, the Immigration will be aware of short term guests at condominiums and everywhere else they are staying.

You must be joking, right? How many of the owners at The Base who rent "very short time" to Chinese groups (3 days, 2 days, 1 night!) are doing TM30 ? Probably very next to zero ! They do know that their guests are in Thailand for at most 1 week or 10 days, and that they will never need to go to an Immigration Office (for an extension or other service). As airports don't care about TM30, they peacefully make their business without such constraint.

 

PS: I am not one of those who rent. I own a condo, yes, but am living in it.

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15 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

You must be joking, right? How many of the owners at The Base who rent "very short time" to Chinese groups (3 days, 2 days, 1 night!) are doing TM30 ? Probably very next to zero ! They do know that their guests are in Thailand for at most 1 week or 10 days, and that they will never need to go to an Immigration Office (for an extension or other service). As airports don't care about TM30, they peacefully make their business without such constraint.

 

PS: I am not one of those who rent. I own a condo, yes, but am living in it.

I agree. That is why the TM30 has started to be enforced.

 

A different subject that also involves many other associated changes that are also being introduced.

 

Submitting a TM30 is a requirement under immigration law within 24 hours of arrival.

 

The new Arrival/Departure Card is part of the changes also.

 

Although Immigration are not actively enforcing it at the Airports now. It doesn't mean that they don't know, or don't care. They have to wait for instructions, like any other governmental departments. 

 

You will see more and more changes over the next 6 months.

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5 hours ago, sam neuts said:

If you are offering daily/weekly rentals you will require either:

 

Hotel Licence

 

Or

 

Exemption Certificate

 

Whichever one you have must be displayed in a prominent position at the entrance or reception of the building.

 

One or the other.

Can you provide a link to an official document that says this please - or is that someones interpretation of the law?

Thanks

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Seems to me if the RTP were raiding and shutting down all these hotels/guesthouses, putting guests out on the streets that this would be big news. I cant find even one article about this. Seems like the possibility of putting a large sector of the tourist industry out of business would at least be up there with a guy taking a piss while cooking sausage. Can someone site articles other than TV forum?

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22 minutes ago, tomster said:

Appartently not, this thread seems to come down to the experience of one person. I just sopke with a friend of mine that owns the largest real estate agency in CM. He had never heard of an exemption certificate and is dealing with multiple cases of this problem on a daily basis. Maybe it's just different in Chiang Mai, or different here which ever way you look at it, but I for one am not inclined to believe that an exemption certificate is required (or even exists), until I see one.

There is an exemption for a certain property type for a particular situation.

 

The attachment contains the 2016 Amendment to the Hotel Act.

 

As you can see the amendment applies to most properties and buildings.

 

Yes I do know what the exemption certificate is, and that it is available under a certain condition.

 

I am not willing to let everyone know at this time, but I am sure if people are interested they will do some research and keep the interest going in this topic.

 

I have a few more interesting topics to discuss with everyone to.

 

 

Amendment to Hotel Act On 19 August 2016.docx

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9 hours ago, JAZZDOG said:

Seems to me if the RTP were raiding and shutting down all these hotels/guesthouses, putting guests out on the streets that this would be big news. I cant find even one article about this.//

There are indeed "raids" on (some) hotels and guesthouses in Pattaya and there are reports in the media, but of course no guest concerned. By example :

http://bangkokjack.com/2018/04/28/seven-pattaya-hotel-operators-four-foreigners-taken-in-by-police-for-not-having-licences/

or https://pattayaone.news/en/more-pattaya-hotel-raids/

but what I didn't read anywhere are the (supposed?) many raids on South-Pattaya Condos as proclaimed by @sam neuts who refuses to give any source or any condo name... :whistling:

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3 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

There are indeed "raids" on (some) hotels and guesthouses in Pattaya and there are reports in the media. By example :

http://bangkokjack.com/2018/04/28/seven-pattaya-hotel-operators-four-foreigners-taken-in-by-police-for-not-having-licences/

or https://pattayaone.news/en/more-pattaya-hotel-raids/

but what I didn't read anywhere are the (supposed?) many raids on South-Pattaya Condos as proclaimed by @sam neuts who refuses to give any source or any condo name... :whistling:

I will not be giving any names of businesses raided, as I don't think that is MY business to make to make them public.

 

The Media does that well enough. Maybe the owners and managers don't want me to give their business name and personal details.

 

These raids also include other offences than the Hotel Act, and I am only interested in things that are related to the Hotel Act and the massive effect the amendment makes to so many people. Unfortunately many cant see the implications yet.

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On 6/5/2018 at 10:28 PM, swissie said:

Full compliance is in 2021. By then, the "raiders" will have thought of another money-generating "shake-down" scheme.
Could it be, that mainly "foreighn-owned" businesses are the main target?
Farang investors seem to be more interested in the subject than the Thais themselves.


As long as the "raiders" are grossly underpaid, "shake-downs", "crack-downs", "clean-up's", "knock-downs", "mop-up's" will be the order of the day. (Yawn).
But I am sure some hotel-licence crack down is more lucrative than rounding up the "usual suspects" of Lady-Boys on Beach Road.
Don't worry, be happy and hand over the brown envelope when the time is right. (Original text of an ancient Thai Folk Song.)


Food for thaught: Any legislation, violating the social concept of THAI RAK THAI in a major way will not be enforced.
Note: It's "Thai Rak Thai" and not "Thai Rak Farang."
Cheers.

Sorry to tell you but no it isn't mainly foreign owned. Here in Chiang Mai a lot of Thai owned Guest houses are being searched

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3 minutes ago, moe666 said:

Sorry to tell you but no it isn't mainly foreign owned. Here in Chiang Mai a lot of Thai owned Guest houses are being searched

You are perfectly correct.

This has nothing to do with foreigners.

Both Thai and Foreigners are affected.

It is about revenue, licencing, safety of tourists and the security of Thailand

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16 hours ago, topt said:

Can you provide a link to an official document that says this please - or is that someones interpretation of the law?

Thanks

I am not giving that information out at this time.

 

There should be a lot more interest in a subject that affects so many businesses and travellers.

 

The information is out there if people show enough interest to find facts.

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10 hours ago, JAZZDOG said:

Seems to me if the RTP were raiding and shutting down all these hotels/guesthouses, putting guests out on the streets that this would be big news. I cant find even one article about this. Seems like the possibility of putting a large sector of the tourist industry out of business would at least be up there with a guy taking a piss while cooking sausage. Can someone site articles other than TV forum?

Only just started but you can take a look at my FB Group.

 

A few links to raids and the laws concerned.

 

Lots more to come and waiting for lots of professional research reports to be completed.

 

But, you may find it of interest, to start.

 

Lots of work and changes still going on behind the scenes but we will show you some things that maybe you didn't know, and within a few months, when we get a decent amount of interest we will help people as much as we can.

 

 

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34 minutes ago, sam neuts said:

I am not giving that information out at this time.

 

There should be a lot more interest in a subject that affects so many businesses and travellers.

 

The information is out there if people show enough interest to find facts.

In all due respect in going back researching this subject there have been several articles on raids on hotels, mainly for other reasons but  few about licensing. The seven you cite never missed a beat. Once you get to the point that 3/4 of the hotels are in non-compliance for one reason or another the cat is out the bag and had 100 litters. Putting all those cats back would likely cause civil unrest and loss of a whole lot of political currency. All this screaming the sky is falling needs a bit more clarity than " I am not giving that information out at this time". If you got information come off of it otherwise it sounds the same as the mixed signals the Government sends out every couple years. Why hold back information ?

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2 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said:

In all due respect in going back researching this subject there have been several articles on raids on hotels, mainly for other reasons but  few about licensing. The seven you cite never missed a beat. Once you get to the point that 3/4 of the hotels are in non-compliance for one reason or another the cat is out the bag and had 100 litters. Putting all those cats back would likely cause civil unrest and loss of a whole lot of political currency. All this screaming the sky is falling needs a bit more clarity than " I am not giving that information out at this time". If you got information come off of it otherwise it sounds the same as the mixed signals the Government sends out every couple years. Why hold back information ?

There is so much information out there and we have been working hard to create something, that will help lots of small businesses and many others in the near future.

 

I am not going to be totally open at this time with all the information we have researched, and the affects they will have.

 

We are trying to help people understand that there are things that they should be doing to help themselves.

 

I am happy to give information on the actual law on this forum and any other groups, but I really think that if enough people take an interest it may help us all.

 

And to show they are interested they should do at least some research for themselves.

 

To give an example of one of the exemptions in the law defeats the purpose of helping many, as it will only be useful to a few.

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