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34 minutes ago, sam neuts said:

I am not giving that information out at this time.

 

There should be a lot more interest in a subject that affects so many businesses and travellers.

 

The information is out there if people show enough interest to find facts.

In all due respect in going back researching this subject there have been several articles on raids on hotels, mainly for other reasons but  few about licensing. The seven you cite never missed a beat. Once you get to the point that 3/4 of the hotels are in non-compliance for one reason or another the cat is out the bag and had 100 litters. Putting all those cats back would likely cause civil unrest and loss of a whole lot of political currency. All this screaming the sky is falling needs a bit more clarity than " I am not giving that information out at this time". If you got information come off of it otherwise it sounds the same as the mixed signals the Government sends out every couple years. Why hold back information ?

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2 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said:

In all due respect in going back researching this subject there have been several articles on raids on hotels, mainly for other reasons but  few about licensing. The seven you cite never missed a beat. Once you get to the point that 3/4 of the hotels are in non-compliance for one reason or another the cat is out the bag and had 100 litters. Putting all those cats back would likely cause civil unrest and loss of a whole lot of political currency. All this screaming the sky is falling needs a bit more clarity than " I am not giving that information out at this time". If you got information come off of it otherwise it sounds the same as the mixed signals the Government sends out every couple years. Why hold back information ?

There is so much information out there and we have been working hard to create something, that will help lots of small businesses and many others in the near future.

 

I am not going to be totally open at this time with all the information we have researched, and the affects they will have.

 

We are trying to help people understand that there are things that they should be doing to help themselves.

 

I am happy to give information on the actual law on this forum and any other groups, but I really think that if enough people take an interest it may help us all.

 

And to show they are interested they should do at least some research for themselves.

 

To give an example of one of the exemptions in the law defeats the purpose of helping many, as it will only be useful to a few.

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8 minutes ago, sam neuts said:

We are trying to help people understand that there are things that they should be doing to help themselves.

Who is "we" ??

 

8 minutes ago, sam neuts said:

I am happy to give information on the actual law on this forum and any other groups, but I really think that if enough people take an interest it may help us all.

Please tell us which information you give us that was not already on this forum ?

IMHO you just copied or reformulated what we already read in other posts or articles.

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Did you read the Hotel Act amendment 2016 I posted?

 

I don't think I saw that on any other board, but I didn't check.

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2 hours ago, sam neuts said:

There is an exemption for a certain property type for a particular situation.

 

The attachment contains the 2016 Amendment to the Hotel Act.

 

As you can see the amendment applies to most properties and buildings.

 

Yes I do know what the exemption certificate is, and that it is available under a certain condition.

 

I am not willing to let everyone know at this time, but I am sure if people are interested they will do some research and keep the interest going in this topic.

 

I have a few more interesting topics to discuss with everyone to.

 

 

Amendment to Hotel Act On 19 August 2016.docx

When I open your link all that comes up is a half page document that lists rooms only and rooms with food service and then describes  3 building types.  Nothing about exemptions, year 2021 deadline, etc.  Is the half page all there is to the amendment?

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21 minutes ago, sam neuts said:

Did you read the Hotel Act amendment 2016 I posted?

I don't think I saw that on any other board, but I didn't check.

 

As you like to say: Maybe you should search on Google ? :whistling:

 

Seriously, there has been many articles - mainly end of 2016 - on this amendment. Important media all talked about it. There was by example an article on BangkokPost the 14 October 2016 "Hotel rules refined as new accommodation options emerge" (but link not authorised on ThaiVisa…) and at the same period you could already find the descriptive of this amendment here: Small Hotels, The Rights to be Legitimate.

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13 minutes ago, newnative said:

When I open your link all that comes up is a half page document that lists rooms only and rooms with food service and then describes  3 building types.  Nothing about exemptions, year 2021 deadline, etc.  Is the half page all there is to the amendment?

Its only part of the entire document.

 

Most information on the internet including law firms have the Hotel Act 2004 information which has an exemption for buildings with 5 rooms or less and under 20 guests. The amendment changed this.

 

I want people to do some of their own research and then decide themselves.

 

A visit to your District Office should be worth the effort if you are operating a business in Thailand.

 

Better than everyone telling me how wrong I am. Go find out. PLEASE

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3 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

 

As you like to say: Maybe you should search on Google ? :whistling:

 

Seriously, there has been many articles - mainly end of 2016 - on this amendment. Important media all talked about it. There was by example an article on BangkokPost the 14 October 2016 "Hotel rules refined as new accommodation options emerge" (but link not authorised on ThaiVisa…) and at the same period you could already find the descriptive of this amendment here: Small Hotels, The Rights to be Legitimate.

Thanks

 

I am not trying to wind people up and be awkward but this is a big problem and everyone is pretending its not happening.

 

Do your own research and you will be able to help others with information.

 

Our FB group has only just started but we are getting as much information as possible together, in one place, so we can really look at it and see how this affects so many people.

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4 hours ago, sam neuts said:

Thanks

 

I am not trying to wind people up and be awkward but this is a big problem and everyone is pretending its not happening.

 

Do your own research and you will be able to help others with information.

 

Our FB group has only just started but we are getting as much information as possible together, in one place, so we can really look at it and see how this affects so many people.

One thing that stood out that I don't understand at the beginning it Hotel Act 2016 stated that it applied only to buildings built prior 1979 is the way I read it. Anyway the key is ROOMS TO RENT.

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, JAZZDOG said:

One thing that stood out that I don't understand at the beginning it Hotel Act 2016 stated that it applied only to buildings built prior 1979 is the way I read it. Anyway the key is ROOMS TO RENT.

It is a confusing law, as many here.

 

The real key is to check with your District Office because there are a number of businesses that used to offer daily rentals, and now only offer monthly rentals.

 

Beware of the information on lawyers websites regarding the 5 room 20 guest exemption.

 

Type 1 buildings are buildings of 2 floors or less and 10 rooms or less. That is the amendment that will affect so many.

 

I am not talking about big hotels. I am talking about rooms over bars, small guesthouses, villa rentals and all other short term accommodation.

 

There is a reason for them changing or closing their company's.

 

It is not because they want to lose hundreds of thousands of THB per month, lay off staff, close or change their business to 30 day + rentals.

 

It is because it is the law, and the fines can be very high.

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On 6/5/2018 at 3:25 PM, KittenKong said:

Why aren't they raiding more condo buildings? Most of them have many illegal short-term rentals happening and the scope for arrests is huge.

They can start with my building if they like.

Phone them

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Just now, The manic said:

Phone them

Many residents are calling to report daily rentals at condos.

 

Many don't like strangers coming and going all night, for a few days, and then another lot.

 

There is no denying. The law is there for a reason whether you like it or not.

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23 minutes ago, sam neuts said:

It is a confusing law, as many here.

 

The real key is to check with your District Office because there are a number of businesses that used to offer daily rentals, and now only offer monthly rentals.

 

Beware of the information on lawyers websites regarding the 5 room 20 guest exemption.

 

Type 1 buildings are buildings of 2 floors or less and 10 rooms or less. That is the amendment that will affect so many.

 

I am not talking about big hotels. I am talking about rooms over bars, small guesthouses, villa rentals and all other short term accommodation.

 

There is a reason for them changing or closing their company's.

 

It is not because they want to lose hundreds of thousands of THB per month, lay off staff, close or change their business to 30 day + rentals.

 

It is because it is the law, and the fines can be very high.

Excuse me but you failed to address my question.

IMHO if you follow the money I don't think this will have any more legs than in the past. Thai families that have busted ass for many years, maybe hundreds of thousands of them are going to be very pissed off. The owners of the buildings that lease out to people  running the businesses will no longer be collecting rent, the demand for these buildings will take a nose dive. Many of these people are wealthy and will likewise be very pissed off. And as always the RTP can't even enforce a simple helmet law. The backlash will end this in its tracks. Another forum and a guy from CM claims 400 guesthouses shut down there in the last week. Not a peep about it in the news. Whats up with that.

 

I do believe the condo deal may happen. Noticed many listings at the base sold out totally for far into the future so I think many are holding back to see what happens. 

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13 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said:

Excuse me but you failed to address my question.

IMHO if you follow the money I don't think this will have any more legs than in the past. Thai families that have busted ass for many years, maybe hundreds of thousands of them are going to be very pissed off. The owners of the buildings that lease out to people  running the businesses will no longer be collecting rent, the demand for these buildings will take a nose dive. Many of these people are wealthy and will likewise be very pissed off. And as always the RTP can't even enforce a simple helmet law. The backlash will end this in its tracks. Another forum and a guy from CM claims 400 guesthouses shut down there in the last week. Not a peep about it in the news. Whats up with that.

 

I do believe the condo deal may happen. Noticed many listings at the base sold out totally for far into the future so I think many are holding back to see what happens. 

I know the media isn't publishing much but we have found loads of information on places that have been raided.

 

I understand people also cant believe the new amendment, but I do know of businesses that have changed their policy. I just don't want to mention them without their permission.

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11 minutes ago, sam neuts said:

I know the media isn't publishing much but we have found loads of information on places that have been raided.

 

I understand people also cant believe the new amendment, but I do know of businesses that have changed their policy. I just don't want to mention them without their permission.

if you check in the Chiang Mai forum you will see more on this, Chiang Mai has been affected on a huge scale. many protests and meetings organized. 

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