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Justfine

Keto and Back

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1 hour ago, Justfine said:

I would have thought switching it up would be bad for you. Mixed signals to the body.

 

(Thats what I read)

Actually the opposite your body doesnt understand when you are dieting, it thinks you are actually starving, bodys first response is to canabolise muscle as it isnt needed and perserve your body fat as a last resource fuel source, it will also try to slow down your metabolism.  Hence to trick it is to load up on calories once or twice a week it will then continue fatburning and perserve all your muscle gains.  Simalar to this was the low cal diet with a cheat day to load up on calories.

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24 minutes ago, BigT73 said:

Actually the opposite your body doesnt understand when you are dieting, it thinks you are actually starving, bodys first response is to canabolise muscle as it isnt needed and perserve your body fat as a last resource fuel source, it will also try to slow down your metabolism.  Hence to trick it is to load up on calories once or twice a week it will then continue fatburning and perserve all your muscle gains.  Simalar to this was the low cal diet with a cheat day to load up on calories.

Source???

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4 hours ago, Shiver said:

If you want to stay in keto and are wary of carbs, then coconut oil is great for energy (to me, better than carbs but ymmv).  It also dampens appetite.  A tablespoon here and there.

 

Apparently it's only the liver and a couple of small regions of the brain that need sugar.  I'd imagine you can get all the carbs you need from vegetables.

 

(speaking as a sedentary person who likes to experiment on all kinds of things - and not one who should be followed ?

 

Are you under the impression that's some kind of secret tip? 

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I never thought of 80 grams of carbs as keto. I stop at 20 grams. 

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6 hours ago, lubfishin said:

I started the keto diet about 5 weeks ago. It has been the easiest diet I have ever been on. I have lost 10.5 kilos since starting the diet. I am never hungry and I never get cravings. The only thing I really miss is eating pizza with the bread and not just eating the toppings haha

Yeah pizza is gone for us. There really are no decent substitutes. I found low carb tortillas at Villa Market and I make pizza with that but those cauliflower crusts are a no go for me. My other big miss was ketchup and bbq sauce for my ribs but I found recipes for low carb versions of both online so I make my own now. 

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8 minutes ago, csabo said:

I never thought of 80 grams of carbs as keto. I stop at 20 grams. 

Keto is 0-50g.

 

Ive doubled my carb intake along with more exercise.

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9 minutes ago, Justfine said:

Source???

I been bodybuilding P/T for over 30 years,  all these keto diets etc are basically contest prep diets back from the early 90s which have been re marketed for the general public.  If you need sources bodybuilding bible by arnold swarz has all those diet types in there.  The funny thing is nobody was interested in the diets back when I was doing them in my 20s they assumed they would turn out like muscular freaks.  

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4 minutes ago, Justfine said:

Simply eating junk food 1 or 2 days without exercise I can't see how that helps.

read what I wrote again,  it keeps your matabolism burning.

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8 minutes ago, Justfine said:

https://peterattiamd.com/ketones-carbohydrates-can-co-exist/

 

This guy increases carbs in line with added exercise. That makes sense to me.

 

Simply eating junk food 1 or 2 days without exercise I can't see how that helps.

I don't see how that helps either but there are some studies that show if you eat more at times it keeps the metabolic rate higher. But other studies say 2 days is not enough. Some swear by it others say it does not help. All you can do is figure it out yourself. 

 

But who says those 2 days with extra calories have to be junk food.

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5 minutes ago, BigT73 said:

read what I wrote again,  it keeps your matabolism burning.

What happens over 10 years in terms of general health?

 

If you feel crap for 2 days each time how is that good long term?

 

Be interested in any studies on this.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, BigT73 said:

I been bodybuilding P/T for over 30 years,  all these keto diets etc are basically contest prep diets back from the early 90s which have been re marketed for the general public.  If you need sources bodybuilding bible by arnold swarz has all those diet types in there.  The funny thing is nobody was interested in the diets back when I was doing them in my 20s they assumed they would turn out like muscular freaks.  

A lot of bodybuilders do drugs and die early.

 

I wonder with the clean ones what their health is like at 70yo.

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3 minutes ago, robblok said:

I don't see how that helps either but there are some studies that show if you eat more at times it keeps the metabolic rate higher. But other studies say 2 days is not enough. Some swear by it others say it does not help. All you can do is figure it out yourself. 

 

But who says those 2 days with extra calories have to be junk food.

Ok but excessive carbs cause insulin spikes.

 

Isnt it like smoking one day a week.

 

 

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Thats correct with choosing your type of carbs, it doesn't have to be junk food, its more of a  couple of cheat meals.  You eat your normal healthy protein meals and throw in a few cheat meals.  The calories boost the metabolism to raging speeds and kick start your fat burn process again.  Kfc is a good cheat meal as it is you can load with protein from chicken get the calories and carbs.

 

Bodybuilders dying early not that many as you may think, they just make the news its as usual the users vs abusers.  Excessive roids do the same damage as a alcoholic with the strain on the liver / kidneys.  Arnold still alive and kicking? or the original hulk Lou Ferigno?  Steroids have become rampant now in society vs when I started and there is alot of guys here in their 60s plus who are on gear as test replacement and do weights.  Its easy to tell as they are really muscular.

Long term affects of dieting etc, last blood test a couple of years ago im now in my mid 40s doc said I have the health of a 20 yr old.

Dont be afraid to experiment alot of these diets that are all the rage is for the diet industry to get people to buy their products. Common sense prevails on eating on how you feel.

 

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11 minutes ago, Justfine said:

Ok but excessive carbs cause insulin spikes.

 

Isnt it like smoking one day a week.

 

 

Depends what you call excessive, the carbs also help to replenish the glycogen lost. I don't have a problem with carbs you fear the. Science can defend both positions. So you do what you do and I do what I do. For me carbs are great to replenish the glycogen needed for hard workouts. There is some research that insulin works to build muscle too (but research that says it does not help too) Yea... for research in giving us absolutely nothing. 

 

I have actually lost weight after higher carb days as my body stressed from the diet (the longer your on a diet the more you stress your body, sometimes your body then holds on to water) After a higher carb day the next day i weighted less on the scales. That is something that has been noticed by many people. So that is a proven thing.

 

But really.. you just like low carb and fear carbs.. then stay away from them. Not everyone needs to stay away from carbs.

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