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How can schools keep farangs from leaving?

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1 hour ago, duanebigsby said:

Why the hell would they ever be taught French or Spanish in Thailand?

Yes, they are taught science, maths, English, health and PE, social studies. etc. All the schools teach all the subjects not just English.

 

Anyway, as they understand nothing and have no interest in anything, easy to teach them useless things !

 

 

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1 hour ago, grkt said:

 

Anyway, as they understand nothing and have no interest in anything, easy to teach them useless things !

 

 

You b1tch, complain, and whine about how s@tty Thai schools are and then suggest there's no point because Thais are incapable of learning anything. What utter, racist drivel!

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1 hour ago, baansgr said:

Is Farang Dam OK when Thais are referring  to black people as I'm sure if in the UK I said, oh,  there is that black foreigner again,  it would be viewed as distasteful 

Different worlds, different people, different reaction. If you want to feel disrespected or insulted by the word farang go ahead. It's your life. Go ahead be angry at Thais for the rest of your stay.

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55 minutes ago, duanebigsby said:

Different worlds, different people, different reaction. If you want to feel disrespected or insulted by the word farang go ahead. It's your life. Go ahead be angry at Thais for the rest of your stay.

In no way am I angry, I'm reasonably happy in Thailand although probably  would move on if I didn't have commitments  here. I'm just interested as in why some people feel it's OK for Thais to say something that almost anywhere  else in the world would be regarded as offensive. We are all livig in the same world and are all the same people, that isn't an excuse. 

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11 minutes ago, baansgr said:

In no way am I angry, I'm reasonably happy in Thailand although probably  would move on if I didn't have commitments  here. I'm just interested as in why some people feel it's OK for Thais to say something that almost anywhere  else in the world would be regarded as offensive. We are all livig in the same world and are all the same people, that isn't an excuse. 

I disagree it would be taken as an insult elsewhere. It just means foreigner and we are foreigners.

Anywhere else in the world has no bearing here. It's not an insult here so no need to drag your Western perspective onto the word. Be offended if you like, up to you. I'm not.

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... it is their system and they will muck it up the way they want, the way will, not much else.. deal with it the best you can.  Start with MOE  TTC...

 

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....wow...nobody calling this one out....

 

...typing fast...bla-bla-bla....

 

 

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Very trollish, but I'll bite.

 

1 Fire all the shitty, weak, ineffectual, tardy, go home early teachers. This alone will be a breath of fresh air. Just not have to be around the incompetence, laziness. It's like working with people who would be back at home making the same money.

2. Scaffolded mentoring with other westerners, especially foreign teachers from international schools.

3 Assistance with understanding and writing crack lesson plans, keying on learning objectives and outcomes.

4 Child psychology 

5 How to create and realize true learning environment.

6 Fiber in every school. Tablets.

7 Setup for G-classroom, top half dozen EdTech webapps and US200 for addl apps.

8 All extracurriculars measured and allocated by hours, divided evenly with some of it paid.

9 Max 18 hours a week. 3 hours per class. Max two courses.

10 Select your own books

11 25k completion bonus. That's means paid in full for finishing.

12 Bonuses for doing more: teaching special classes, correcting Thai, foreigners exams. Writing special packets of materials

13 Comp days off for over and above hours worked

14 Real money. We should be adding value to ourselves at a rate of 5k per year to 60-70 depending on license, grad degree or diploma.

15 Working computers, printers

16 Multi year contract

17 Bonus for req to be on campus before 730

18 Professional seminar, training $$

19 All western staff

20 New, fresh path to licencing

21 Real coffee - free

22 Teaching only speaking courses, let the Thai handle the balance

23 No weekend classes

24 Any serious work on weekends, return to school, do it. Get paid.

25 Lots of hot new uni grad teachers and admins

26 Ability to leave any school at term break, with six weeks notice.

27 Allow six years unlimited movement between schools but  if you leave before eoy, you cannot work until following year.

28 Better tax and financial accountability.

29 Proper health care

30 Aircon, LCD and if broken, repaired in 48 hours.

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2 hours ago, duanebigsby said:

I disagree it would be taken as an insult elsewhere. It just means foreigner and we are foreigners.

Anywhere else in the world has no bearing here. It's not an insult here so no need to drag your Western perspective onto the word. Be offended if you like, up to you. I'm not.

I am inclined to agree but in this context they could at least say khru farang. Most Thai teachers call me ajarn and I am honored, but I overheard one older teacher, outside the department call me farang and it bothered me.

 

It can be condescending. In the case she used it - it was not, but I wasn't happy.

 

It does mean foreigner, but context is everything isn't it.

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7 hours ago, scorecard said:

Very strange comment.

 

Your suggesting that it's good to allow illegal people to stay and work?

 

Would you support that same policy in your own country. would you be quite OK with strangers coming into your country and staying illegally?

 

If you answer yes then we can assume you have no respect for the safety et ., of your own fellow citizens.  

relax my dear Chap....it was ironic....

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52 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

relax my dear Chap....it was ironic....

Defensive avoidance response...

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1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thats quite a statement... well not really, its more a comment of a bottom feeder who fails to see beyond their own flawed horizons and judges the world by the same standards they themselves expect to be judged...:whistling:

 

I'm sure the professional foreign men and women at my son's school and many other good schools may disagree, as a parent I certainly do.

 

 

 

 

 

OK, point accepted, but please remember that many parents have had negative experiences with unqualified lazy farang teaching their kids, and at upper priced and high priced schools.

 

Just one example, upper priced bilingual school, primary class (not 100% sure of level), near the end of the day the very young American female teacher comes out of the room and walks straight to group of fathers sitting outside waiting for their kids.

 

She gives no greeting, just says 'I'm the maths teacher, tomorrow I have to start teaching long division but I don't know how to do it, can someone here quickly teach me?'

 

The same group of parents tried to speak to the owner / headmistress, she refused to speak to them, further attempts to speak to deputy headmistress and more all completely ignored, nothing happened, the situation just continued but the word spread, at the end of the year there was quite an exit of kids being moved to other schools. Nobody from the original school spoke to any parents to ask 'why is your son/daughter not enrolled for next year?'

 

 

 

 

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Normally, professional and committed teachers stay until the end of their contracts.

 

Fickle here-for-the-women/beer 'teachers' break their contracts at the drop of a hat. They lie about the reason for leaving but it's nearly always something to do with them being trash.

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13 hours ago, baansgr said:

In no way am I angry, I'm reasonably happy in Thailand although probably  would move on if I didn't have commitments  here. I'm just interested as in why some people feel it's OK for Thais to say something that almost anywhere  else in the world would be regarded as offensive. We are all livig in the same world and are all the same people, that isn't an excuse. 

I'll jump on this one , even though the thread is about teaching

I would say it's an ok word - What are they suppose to say " Foreigner " , but they can't speak English, so Farang is the same in their language

They certainly don't know you nationality 

Maybe they can guess & say your Canadian, but your actually American 5555

 

I would be more insulted by what Immigration call us " ALIENS " - Now that would be interesting to see if any other country call their Visitors that

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11 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Very silly. Actually 2 years experience working overseas is good for the CV. However, stay too long and one might be stuck in a never-ending low-paid TEFL rut. Not recommended. As for Thai schools encouraging overseas staff not to leave, well good luck with that. Unless there is a career path (which for many there isn't) better to move around, either institution or country, but keep that minimum 2 year gig or you start to look flighty.

 

Actually 2 years overseas would do more harm to your CV, especially if spent in a third world country with no verifiable references or experience at a school that’s education standards fall bellow a western world standard.

ever wonder why a doctor trained in Thailand can’t walk in an get a job in a hospital in a western country yet a doctor trained in Australia can go work in a hospital in Italy or the USA?

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