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Actually 2 years overseas would do more harm to your CV, especially if spent in a third world country with no verifiable references or experience at a school that’s education standards fall bellow a western world standard.
ever wonder why a doctor trained in Thailand can’t walk in an get a job in a hospital in a western country yet a doctor trained in Australia can go work in a hospital in Italy or the USA?

Because here, you can buy your way into any job. Hope that doctor doesn’t treat me!!!!


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3 hours ago, cat handler said:

 

Actually 2 years overseas would do more harm to your CV, especially if spent in a third world country with no verifiable references or experience at a school that’s education standards fall bellow a western world standard.

ever wonder why a doctor trained in Thailand can’t walk in an get a job in a hospital in a western country yet a doctor trained in Australia can go work in a hospital in Italy or the USA?

So much incorrect about the above. For a young person thinking about teaching, the experience would not only be invaluable but would give the person an opportunity to report on their experiences. Excellent reference point for somebody applying for teacher training and hoping to work in an inner-urban area. As for doctors coming from third-world countries, see:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage

Always amused however, when some uneducated person from the West tries to sit in judgment over educated Thais. Think about that next time you visit a Thai hospital.

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3 hours ago, DILLIGAD said:


Because here, you can buy your way into any job. Hope that doctor doesn’t treat me!!!!
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No you can't.

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No you can't.

I know people who have paid hundreds of thousands of baht to be promoted so I’m sorry but I disagree with you


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10 hours ago, BEVUP said:

I'll jump on this one , even though the thread is about teaching

I would say it's an ok word - What are they suppose to say " Foreigner " , but they can't speak English, so Farang is the same in their language

They certainly don't know you nationality 

Maybe they can guess & say your Canadian, but your actually American 5555

 

I would be more insulted by what Immigration call us " ALIENS " - Now that would be interesting to see if any other country call their Visitors that

Yes, off topic. But most countries use the word "alien" as it literally means not having citizenship.

Look it up in any dictionary.

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12 minutes ago, duanebigsby said:

Yes, off topic. But most countries use the word "alien" as it literally means not having citizenship.

Look it up in any dictionary.

Most schools call their foreign teachers "teachers" and their Thai teachers "kru or ajarn".  It's easy and clear.

 

There actually is a polite word for foreigner in Thai.  It is khon tang chat or khon tang prathet. 

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12 minutes ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Most schools call their foreign teachers "teachers" and their Thai teachers "kru or ajarn".  It's easy and clear.

 

There actually is a polite word for foreigner in Thai.  It is khon tang chat or khon tang prathet. 

I was addressing the word "alien" not farang.

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18 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

OK, point accepted, but please remember that many parents have had negative experiences with unqualified lazy farang teaching their kids, and at upper priced and high priced schools.

 

Just one example, upper priced bilingual school, primary class (not 100% sure of level), near the end of the day the very young American female teacher comes out of the room and walks straight to group of fathers sitting outside waiting for their kids.

 

She gives no greeting, just says 'I'm the maths teacher, tomorrow I have to start teaching long division but I don't know how to do it, can someone here quickly teach me?'

 

The same group of parents tried to speak to the owner / headmistress, she refused to speak to them, further attempts to speak to deputy headmistress and more all completely ignored, nothing happened, the situation just continued but the word spread, at the end of the year there was quite an exit of kids being moved to other schools. Nobody from the original school spoke to any parents to ask 'why is your son/daughter not enrolled for next year?'

 

 

 

I get your point.  I play football with an eclectic mix of characters ranging from those on the breadline scraping out a hand to mouth living teaching English to Lawyers, CEO's... (football really is the great leveler)...

 

In this wide ranging group of men there are a number of teachers.... Many from well known and highly respected international schools and some from less know schools, others simply teaching English wherever they pick up work....    It's often quite interesting to see how some carry's themselves, how they behave, how they speak etc... and then find out their position. Of course, generalising would be unfair, but in this case not too far off the mark... Those teaching at the well known international schools are not the ones out on the beer after our mid-week game or openly discussing their latest carnal escapades with cheap women, neither are those in other well respected professions. 

 

Perhaps this doesn't have bearing on the quality of the individual as a teacher, or perhaps it does for there appears to be a definite correlation between 'quality' of the individual and their position.

 

That said: At a Good international (and Bilingual) School I'd expect exemplary standards and if those standards are not met I'd expect an immediate and professional explanation, response and solution. Without this I wouldn't hesitate to remove my son from a school as soon as a viable alternative is found. 

This may be more difficult outside of Bangkok, but one of the primary reasons I remain in Bangkok is for the quality of choice.

 

Ultimately schools will get what they pay for and when they pay well they will attract professionals and work them in a professional manner.

 

Sadly though, its very apparent that there are schools who don't pay well, overwork their teachers who more than often become disillusioned, tired or move on to a better position elsewhere - I can't say I blame them and hope I'm never in a situation where I have to send my children to a school such as this, or rather, if I were, I'd move back to the UK. 

 

 

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Salaries are too low and the benefits are miserly. I think the Thais administrators are too bloody-minded and proud to change. There are much better teaching jobs elsewhere than Thailand. In particular China and online. The school I am in has this problem every year with not being able to get reliable long term staff. All the other staff are overworked taking up the slack due to the missing teachers. It's getting harder to get a work permit with the police check and sending degrees off to be verified. I wouldn't recommend anyone to start up  a new life here for any length of time. For the work involved it's just not worth it for 30 to 40,000.

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On 6/18/2018 at 5:03 PM, SheungWan said:

So much incorrect about the above. For a young person thinking about teaching, the experience would not only be invaluable but would give the person an opportunity to report on their experiences. Excellent reference point for somebody applying for teacher training and hoping to work in an inner-urban area. As for doctors coming from third-world countries, see:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage

Always amused however, when some uneducated person from the West tries to sit in judgment over educated Thais. Think about that next time you visit a Thai hospital.

I do, very time my brother in law, a Cardiologist, Senior Lecturer of Medicine at an Australian University and a Professor tells me how easy it is to do a PHD in Asia. On his advice I would only visit a Thai hospital as a last resort, if I needed medical treatment and had a choice it would be to fly home and have it, like any sane person.

Next time the AMA warn people about going over to Asia for cosmetic procedures by DOCTORS you just ignore it, evidently they are uneducated people.

did you read the link you posted, notice: 

 

 Five of England’s 10 regional NHS ambulance services are also pursuing new recruits abroad. More than 100 of the 200 paramedics the London Ambulance Service is hiring before the end of March will be from Australia and New Zealand.

 

Kind of make sure my point, no quality Thai paramedics.

 

oh, and you don’t apply for teacher training, you applying for a Teaching Degree at a University and saying “I taught in Thailand for $20 a day” won’t kelp.

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On 6/17/2018 at 6:15 AM, duanebigsby said:

One problem is that many of these teachers aren't leaving or changing schools of their own accord.

 

Often the best teachers are also the ones vocal in their concerns about school policy and teaching methods.

They care about the students enough to raise concerns about rote learning, huge class sizes, forced haircuts, ridiculous pomp and ceremony etc.

 

Then the schools don't renew their contracts because they don't fit the system. In a sense, they're fired.

 

Thai school administrators are not interested as much about good quality teachers as they are about teachers not making waves.

The truth has been said here. This is the biggest problem that I too have seen myself. Schools only need good-looking nodding subordinates. 

It is nothing but window-shopping. They only want to display the white-skinned, blonde, handsome etc farangs with degrees. (Of course exceptions apply)

The saddest part is that the students simply can't get used to their teachers and their accents as almost every term they get a new one and eventually they simply sit in the classroom and learn nothing.

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5 hours ago, cat handler said:

oh, and you don’t apply for teacher training, you applying for a Teaching Degree at a University and saying “I taught in Thailand for $20 a day” won’t kelp.

Having a couple of years experience will help on that CV, assuming that one can make a decent story of that experience. As for undertaking teacher training, no you don't need a teaching degree (at least in the UK) and the type of person I am thinking about is someone who has graduated with a non-teaching degree of some description, has maybe drifted a bit and is thinking about going into teaching and applying for a post-grad teaching qualification to get them in. Having undertaken some practical experience in Thailand will help. Two years is enough. The rate of pay is irrelevant. Nobody is interested in that. The learned experience is all, even with how one might have had to deal with the Thai education management system.

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Starting a new job in a foreign country. Entirely untested and you will make big mistakes your first three terms - far more if you're not really interested or taking what you are doing seriously.

 

Everyone makes what they are worth. The only exception is the guy stuck in Issan with a family that he can't move and those on a fourth waiver.

 

I now have come to the conclusion that teachers  that accept 30-40k wages is because that's all they'd be making in their home countries

 

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15 hours ago, garrya said:

The truth has been said here. This is the biggest problem that I too have seen myself. Schools only need good-looking nodding subordinates. 

It is nothing but window-shopping. They only want to display the white-skinned, blonde, handsome etc farangs with degrees. (Of course exceptions apply)

The saddest part is that the students simply can't get used to their teachers and their accents as almost every term they get a new one and eventually they simply sit in the classroom and learn nothing.

Thanks for describing your school....oh you don't teach in Thailand? Then your opinion means nothing. Certainly what you described is not my school, nor a number of others I know of. 

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