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Video: Three dead as Pajero driver who fled scene revealed as top forestry official

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30 minutes ago, dave moir said:

Clunk click? Toyota Vios only have 5 seat belts!!!! 

...rendering these old PIFs useless but nonetheless still worth watching.

 

 

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9 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

Clearly he wasn't driving with due care and attention.  The Parjero probably shouldn't have pulled out with the Vios so close but if the Vios driver had followed the rules on U turns, he wouldn't have hit the Pajero.  The real blame for the accident is those bloody U turns but the real blame for the deaths is not wearing seat belts.

I hope you never have to represent anyone in court and do so with the evidence of 2 seconds of a video.

you have no idea what the vios was doing until we see it already taking evasive action.

you cannot draw any rational conclusions here.

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8 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

The incident just reaffirms my thinking there isn't one Thai official in this country can suggest or fix the problem of driving here, they all come from the same school. Taught to them by their parents and it goes on and on.  This is why every suggestion/solution made by a official just make us foreigner roll our eyes and scratch our heads. You can't fix something if you don't understand what is causing the problem.

When I watch the video like many accidents there are a number of problems.  There are two things that work it is call education and enforcement  but you need to know what the education is and how to take that education and enforce it, here not one in this country understand what they are doing wrong therefore can't correct it.

 

The Transport Department head has stated the problem isn't how the roads are design. 

Here watching the video you got a vehicle coming from a angle to enter into a main road.  Like many drivers entering into a main road from a secondary just enter without slowing down or looking. This guy isn't making a U-turn he is making a right turn here when they do they go straight out to the middle or far end and then turn. This area where he comes out and turn doesn't have a right merging area because merging into traffic is a unknown and not taught. I don't know how many times I've sat in traffic waiting for the vehicle in the front instead of merging just hold up everything so they can do exactly what this driver did.

We might take it for granted but a simple written question on a test answer whether you make a left or right turn you must finish the turn closes to where you started. In this case the road wasn't design with a right turn merging area and no one ever educated the driver to finish the right turn closes to the right, if done properly the accident most likely wouldn't have happen. A simple educated and enforce rule whenever entering into a road whether a stop sign exist or not one must stop/slowing and proceed with caution then make you turn and finish on the same side you started. Teaching how to use both mirrors reason why driver here making a left go out to the middle before turning, no training how to use passenger mirror another reason on narrow roads cars slow down stop when a vehicle is parked on the left even when they have more than enough room.

When it comes to the Vios, another rule taken for granted not taught here.  Human nature is for one to go left or right to avoid, but a rule of thumb in a situation like this is to apply the brake and head straight. There is a reason for it, majority of the time swinging to avoid would cause a greater accident a chain reaction?  If this driver had follow this simple rule I don't believe it would have been as bad.

Then drivers aren't taught to get the big picture!  big picture is to not look down but at least 7 plus second ahead doing so in this case would have given the driver more time to apply the brakes but none what I've been saying above is taught here so it is pedal to the metal and avoid.

Last, the official should be taken to the back and shot!  No remorse whatsoever drivers here are so desensitized to death it isn't funny! 

One of the most rational posts in this thread. the vast majority of comments here are just kack.

 

you make several good points including education: this is at the heart of everything for a developing/emerging nation.

 

As far as the vios driver is concerned we see that he may well have gone from a life saving lane to swerving left and thereby crashing into the tree. 

 

overall, Thai drivers do have a lot to learn but no driver can be confident of guaranteeing his own safety when faced with a moron like we see in the Pajero. 

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On ‎6‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 10:43 AM, flyingtlger said:

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The guy looks so nonchalant, just texting or doing something on his phone like it was no big deal......Just killed 3 people including a child and seriously injured 4, I don't know about you but I'd be horrified and remorseful. 

Yes, I agree. He actually looks quite bored and clearly believes he shouldn't have to sit and wait for the wheels to turn. Maybe prepping his phone for a "look how boring this all is" picture for his Facebook woodland friends.

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4 hours ago, evadgib said:

...rendering these old PIFs useless but nonetheless still worth watching.

 

The fact that we remember these Public Information Films from 20+ years back, often even longer (who else remembers Reginald Molehusband?) means they did have an effect. 

 

There were some wonderfully memorable lines, e.g. "if at work you drop a spanner, it travels in a downward manner" (wear your safety gear).

 

Maybe Thailand needs something similarly hard-hitting.

 

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3 hours ago, todlad said:

I hope you never have to represent anyone in court and do so with the evidence of 2 seconds of a video.

you have no idea what the vios was doing until we see it already taking evasive action.

you cannot draw any rational conclusions here.

Had he been watching the road correctly and taking note of the warning signs, he would have seen the Pajero waiting - I don't think it would take a mastermind to anticipate what the Pajero is likely to do.  Maybe the Pajero shouldn't have pulled out when he did but think about it, would it be anything new or is it the norm?  Everyone takes chances at those bloody stupid U turns because if not, you can be sat there waiting for a long time.  Yes its a short video but what I can see is no traffic in the other lanes. What I don't see is the Vios driver moving into the centre lane to allow the Pajero to use the slip. I honestly believe that he had time to adjust his speed and take evasive action.  The U turn doesn't look particularly new to me so I'd guess its been there a long time with the usual 1km. 500m and 200m warnings + amber flashing lights.  Why are those warnings there?  What do you do when you approach a U turn? I watch what's going on even more closely than I normally do and if there's a vehicle waiting at the U, I presume that he's going to pull across and drive accordingly.  Had the Vios driver taken due care, 3 people would still be alive. Not only did he fail to take due care, I'm pretty sure he didn't have his seat belt on as it looks like his body that's thrown out of the car.  If that's the case then its doubtful that anyone else was wearing a belt.  Again, its the driver's responsibility to make sure his pasaengers are wearing seat belts.

 

The video may be short but I think its long enough to make out all the relevant points.  The most important factor is that its a U turn, people should know what to expect there and adjust their driving accordingly.  Its also an important point that the Vios driver was Thai, having spent 16 years watching how they drive and how little notice they take of the situation around them whilst driving, how little regard they have for either the law or basic driving fundamentals - I'm 100% sure that the Vios driver could have easily avoided that accident and that 3 lives have been needlessly wasted.

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On 6/23/2018 at 10:47 AM, VocalNeal said:

 

These large SUV's have the turning circle of a bus plus people hug the inside before turning thus increasing the projection into the oncoming lanes. In my small truck I can do a U-turn using one lane. My staff when driving need two lanes

Doing a u-turn, using one lane only, means you end up on the right (fast lane) with your small truck ?
Interesting...

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On 6/23/2018 at 9:56 AM, keith101 said:

It doesn't look like he actually hit the other vehicle but he caused the accident and just drove away same as hit and run or leaving the scene of an accident?

 

 

Sorry but you are wrong.

Without an actual collision there are too many  "what ifs"

 

 

 

 

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From the photo it looks like he doesn't have a care in the world and knows nothing is going to be done

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On 6/23/2018 at 2:38 PM, steelepulse said:

Were no seat belts involved?  Doesn't look like the vios was traveling at excessive speed and I would think airbags and seatbelts would have saved everyone involved.

 

7 people in a Vios...  guaranteed the kiddie was on someones lap and not a carseat.

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