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2 minutes ago, dukeandduke said:

And it was unwise Saturday.

 

I'm still praying for everyone to get out alive and well.

So am I but people should stop blaming the coach, if the cave was dangerous then the park authorities should have closed the park.

One thing that I cannot understand is why the navy divers did not set up a forward command post when they were 3 klm inside the cave. The proper procedure should have been for a 3-4 man team to go into the cave and set up a lifeline as they went with a communication cable and then they would have had a bloody good start at a proper rescue. They set up the base on a high ground area in the cave and then the can rotate working in teams of 3 and they could do a search further into the cave and the main thing is they would have a team inside that cave trying to find these kids instead of sitting around outside, they had been in side the cave and they had reached some high ground and they had broken into a couple of other chambers and they had found things that could have belonged to those kids but they withdrew from the cave without setting anything up.

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2 minutes ago, laochef said:

The Swedish Navy has sent a plane with navy seals specialists, rescue, attack and obstacle divers, should arrive last night/this morning. All help is good help.

Good, someone that knows what they are doing

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Last night they stopped when it got dark outside.

I don't completely understand that. 

It's dark inside the cave anyway.

It's been a really long time now so shouldn't the operation continue tonight after dark?

Hoping they have survived till now, that's a lot of time to waste not searching after dark. 

I obviously know nothing about the technicalities of such efforts, except my assumption that the cave is dark inside day and night. 

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This is international news elsewhere in the world, so why isn't it in the National news section, instead of consigned to the CR narrow news? Seems like it is a big enough story, so what's the issue? ? Given the daily feed of "non-news" trivia that is put in National news, seems all the more bizarre.......

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http://www.itv.com/news/2018-06-26/flooding-complicates-thai-cave-rescue-operation/

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Last night they stopped when it got dark outside.

I don't completely understand that. 

It's dark inside the cave anyway.

It's been a really long time now so shouldn't the operation continue tonight after dark?

Hoping they have survived till now, that's a lot of time to waste not searching after dark. 

I obviously know nothing about the technicalities of such efforts, except my assumption that the cave is dark inside day and night. 

 

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Mr Anupong said the goal was to be able to “reach the kids”, with rescuers working night and day.

“I want to confirm to the media that the SEAL team will be working non-stop because it’s already dark here too,” he said.

“So night and day doesn’t make a big difference. They’ll just need to rotate.”

http://www.itv.com/news/2018-06-26/flooding-complicates-thai-cave-rescue-operation/

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2 minutes ago, JAG said:

My daughter tells me that facebook is saying that they have been found, but cannot be brought out because they are trapped behind water.

That was "news" about three days ago and it hasnt been conformed that they have been found

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10 hours ago, seajae said:

did a bit of cave diving in Australia years ago as well as night diving with no lights(tactical), requires a lot of nerves but there are safety measures that must be followed. Turgid water would make it very dangerous, too easy to hit rock formations causing injury due to lack of control where they go and I doubt that there would be many licensed/experienced cave divers in Thailand, water needs to drop and the current letting off before anyone should go in there but being Thailand safety measures will probably be ignored anyway, hopefully no one dies

I think the key limiting factor is the current. Even if the passageways are large enough to use compact sleds (diver propulsion vehicle), if the current is too strong it will throw the diver into the walls and rocks and injure or kill the diver.

 

I've done night diving and also diving where I couldn't see a third of a meter in front of me. That isn't fun even in placid water. In this environment it makes it extremely dangerous. 

 

The water is probably cold so that limits time in the water. If they had dry suits, how much scraping against rocks can a dry suit handle? Also read that the seals didn't have EAN tanks at the beginning which surprised me. EAN is enriched air (aka nitrox - yellow tanks) that allows a diver to stay down longer and work harder.

 

Anyone who is wondering what's taking the rescuers so long to get to the kids is clueless about the possible complicating factors to successfully do this rescue.

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I think it's pretty darned obvious that it's an extremely difficult situation which is a big reason why people are so concerned at this point.

 

I don't think you need any specialized knowledge to realize how hard this is but you do need special knowledge to be of use in that cave.

 

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9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I think it's pretty darned obvious that it's an extremely difficult situation which is a big reason why people are so concerned at this point.

 

I don't think you need any specialized knowledge to realize how hard this is but you do need special knowledge to be of use in that cave.

 

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It's not obvious to some posters and my last sentence was directed to them.

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7 minutes ago, Wilsonandson said:

Latest photos of last night from Twitter.DgpVSihVAAABvvP.jpgDgp3mQOUEAAQ9h7.jpg

All pictures and updates appreciated here on the other side of the world. Talking to my Thai friends just now, I am advised that there are some 2,000 rescue personnel and support persons on hand. Bravo for this great team effort. Wishes for the 13. Waiting like the whole world for good news.

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Thailand is not completely a free press. It is not surprising at all that there is limited or no progress coverage...

 

It's all about protecting face and should there be a bad outcome or even worse not be able to provide any substantial info, it sheds negative light on the culture and its image....

 

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6 minutes ago, cardinalblue said:

Thailand is not completely a free press. It is not surprising at all that there is limited or no progress coverage...

 

It's all about protecting face and should there be a bad outcome or even worse not be able to provide any substantial info, it sheds negative light on the culture and its image....

 

There are many, many "live" and very very frequently updated coverages of this event on both Thai Social Media and the Thai press. 

 

How about leaving the "old western guy over 50 complaining about Thailand while still living there" stuff at home and spare your energies for positive thoughts for the kids on this one ?

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On the Thai news just now - locals and rescuers have been searching the dense forest above the caves and located 3 sinkholes that could give access.

 

Apparently, 2 of them are pretty much blocked, but one looks promising.

 

News also said it's been raining all night, so conditions must be grim for the rescuers.

 

Fingers crossed.

 

 

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My Thoughts and prayers are for the football team but knowing Thailand has a complete lack of Common Sense Did they make any preparations for going Potholing I doubt it I sincerely hope they all get out safe.

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6 hours ago, hagler said:

There are many, many "live" and very very frequently updated coverages of this event on both Thai Social Media and the Thai press. 

 

How about leaving the "old western guy over 50 complaining about Thailand while still living there" stuff at home and spare your energies for positive thoughts for the kids on this one ?

Well Said !

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2 hours ago, UglyBug said:

My Thoughts and prayers are for the football team but knowing Thailand has a complete lack of Common Sense Did they make any preparations for going Potholing I doubt it I sincerely hope they all get out safe.

They are young kids with a young man who is their football coach and leader 

Yes they were in a cave but they were doing anything but potholing so the answer to your question will be no

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23 hours ago, Russell17au said:

Why should the coach be grounded? How is this his responsibility. At the time the coach and the boys entered the cave it was open to the public and there is a warning sign at the front of the cave stating that between July and November there is a chance of flooding. The coach has done nothing wrong, he has not broken any rules, so stop pointing the finger at the coach. If you want to be on the high moral ground then point the finger at the authorities for having the cave open to the public.


Point taken, and most likely nobody from the authorities will face the music. The reference to the coach from my side is, that he should have taken a guide along. Twelve boys are difficult to manage in a cave, some might react claustrophobic, others just scared as it is. Quite obviously the cave was/is unknown to the group lead by the coach hence I, for one, would have never taken the risk and responsibility. 

Caves are generally slippery, some have urinal smells from bats, are dark for obvious reasons and the group must have gotten either lost or did a very adventurous long walk into the cave. 

Irrespective of all this I just pray for the kids (and the coach) to get out alive which might be still possible if oxygen and drinkable water is there. Flash light batteries must be dead by now so it must be pure horror for all. I salute all those trying their very best to get the group back to daylight. 

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2 hours ago, Sydebolle said:


Point taken, and most likely nobody from the authorities will face the music. The reference to the coach from my side is, that he should have taken a guide along. Twelve boys are difficult to manage in a cave, some might react claustrophobic, others just scared as it is. Quite obviously the cave was/is unknown to the group lead by the coach hence I, for one, would have never taken the risk and responsibility. 

Caves are generally slippery, some have urinal smells from bats, are dark for obvious reasons and the group must have gotten either lost or did a very adventurous long walk into the cave. 

Irrespective of all this I just pray for the kids (and the coach) to get out alive which might be still possible if oxygen and drinkable water is there. Flash light batteries must be dead by now so it must be pure horror for all. I salute all those trying their very best to get the group back to daylight. 

Apparently the coach and the boys have been in the caves a few times before.

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