snoop1130 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 #DontTellMeHowToDress, Thai women say By Taylor McAvoy, Contributor Aniporn "Nat" Chalermburanawong speaks Monday at the Siam Paragon shopping mall in Bangkok. BANGKOK — “You were raped because of the way you dressed; if not by this offender, you would have been abused by another,” a police officer reportedly told a 12-year-old victim. “Rape is something that only happens to ‘low-class’ people, the uneducated, or migrants,” a female police officer was quoted saying. Full Story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/featured/2018/06/25/donttellmehowtodress-thai-women-say/ -- © Copyright Khaosod English 2018-6-25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwonitoy Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Just further proof from the police that you can't fix stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 What's next? #donttellmenottowearmybling? Because I have every right to wear my Mr T wannabe kit anywhere I want, and anyone who would steal it from me is in the wrong, not me for wearing it out on the walking street drunk at 3:00 AM. Like it or not, certain behaviors put us at increased risk of being victimized. Like wearing bling on Walking Street at 03:00, leaving the car running while inside the 7/11, walking around with $100 bills hanging out of our pockets, and (sadly) dressing provocatively. In every case, the perpetrator is absolutely wrong. But if you want to reduce your risk of being a victim, avoid behaviors that increase those risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELVIS123456 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, impulse said: What's next? #donttellmenottowearmybling? Because I have every right to wear my Mr T wannabe kit anywhere I want, and anyone who would steal it from me is in the wrong, not me for wearing it out on the walking street drunk at 3:00 AM. Like it or not, certain behaviors put us at increased risk of being victimized. Like wearing bling on Walking Street at 03:00, leaving the car running while inside the 7/11, walking around with $100 bills hanging out of our pockets, and (sadly) dressing provocatively. In every case, the perpetrator is absolutely wrong. But if you want to reduce your risk of being a victim, avoid behaviors that increase those risks. So true. It is not a matter of right and wrong. It is a matter of reality and common sense. While we are here back in Aust my Thai wife comfortably wears jewellery everywhere, while she does not do that in parts of Thailand. But that does not mean that she walks alone at night through a park wearing sexy clothing and that jewellery - sure she has that 'right' - but doing that would not be common sense. IMO the comments made by those police officers are mainly meant as a warning to other young girls to think and to be careful - the real meaning lost in translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said: So true. It is not a matter of right and wrong. It is a matter of reality and common sense. While we are here back in Aust my Thai wife comfortably wears jewellery everywhere, while she does not do that in parts of Thailand. But that does not mean that she walks alone at night through a park wearing sexy clothing and that jewellery - sure she has that 'right' - but doing that would not be common sense. IMO the comments made by those police officers are mainly meant as a warning to other young girls to think and to be careful - the real meaning lost in translation. You’ve both perfectly epitomized how this poor attitude just makes some people feel it’s okay to sexually abuse women because they feel the woman is somehow to blame. Our attitudes towards women are constantly changing for the better. It’s attitides like this that take us back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Two posts is all it took to start victim blaming and we only had to wait for number three to back it up. Beam me up Scotty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Two posts is all it took to start victim blaming and we only had to wait for number three to back it up. Beam me up Scotty... Its really not blaming the victim , its saying that oeople should act in a way so that they do not become a victim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Just now, sanemax said: Its really not blaming the victim , its saying that oeople should act in a way so that they do not become a victim The only people who need to act in a different way are the scum who rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Bluespunk said: The only people who need to act in a different way are the scum who rape. And they would act differently , if the possibilities were removed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, sanemax said: Its really not blaming the victim , its saying that oeople should act in a way so that they do not become a victim Your right they just should not be born as a woman or they should wear a nijhab, maybe they should also not be allowed to go out without a male being present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, sanemax said: And they would act differently , if the possibilities were removed . Ah, the “she was asking for it” defence. Hurry up Scotty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myran Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Two posts is all it took to start victim blaming and we only had to wait for number three to back it up. Beam me up Scotty... It's not victim blaming. It's realizing we don't live in a pink, fluffy unicorn world where we can do everything we are supposed to be able to do. It's never the victim's fault, whether it's sexual crime or having your gold stolen, but unfortunately we have to adapt to the world we actually live in, not the one we wish we lived in. I should be able to walk around with a thick gold chain around my neck at Pattaya beach at 3 am without risk of having it stolen, but I can't. That's just the world we live in, and regretfully we have to adapt until the time when we don't have to fear this kind of crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, robblok said: Your right they just should not be born as a woman or they should wear a nijhab, maybe they should also not be allowed to go out without a male being present. I wouldnt go that far , they cant helped being born a Female , but wearing unrevealing clothes and not being alone , is a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Ah, the “she was asking for it” defence. Hurry up Scotty... Please do not use quotation marks when you are not quoting me . I didnt say or suggest what you Misquoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, sanemax said: I wouldnt go that far , they cant helped being born a Female , but wearing unrevealing clothes and not being alone , is a good idea Right.... guess we don't see eye to eye. Lets agree to disagree. But what you say is what extreme Muslims say too.. just a bit more toned down (not much). I would hate to live in a world like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, sanemax said: Please do not use quotation marks when you are not quoting me . I didnt say or suggest what you Misquoted It wasn’t a quotation. As to what your post suggested, as far as I’m concerned your use of the word “possibilities” is one that suggests the victim’s choice of clothing contributed to their rape. I fully accept you did not mean that, but that’s how I read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, Myran said: It's not victim blaming. It's realizing we don't live in a pink, fluffy unicorn world where we can do everything we are supposed to be able to do. It's never the victim's fault, whether it's sexual crime or having your gold stolen, but unfortunately we have to adapt to the world we actually live in, not the one we wish we lived in. I should be able to walk around with a thick gold chain around my neck at Pattaya beach at 3 am without risk of having it stolen, but I can't. That's just the world we live in, and regretfully we have to adapt until the time when we don't have to fear this kind of crime. It’s victim blaming. The only behaviour that needs to change is that of rapist scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, robblok said: Right.... guess we don't see eye to eye. Lets agree to disagree. But what you say is what extreme Muslims say too.. just a bit more toned down (not much). I would hate to live in a world like that. Who cares what Muslims say !!!!!!!! I feel that people should take personal responsibility in order to avoid coming to any harm . Its like no going in the home end of a football team, wearing an away shirt . You should be able to do it , but its likely there would be a confrontation , so, dont do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, sanemax said: Who cares what Muslims say !!!!!!!! I feel that people should take personal responsibility in order to avoid coming to any harm . Its like no going in the home end of a football team, wearing an away shirt . You should be able to do it , but its likely there would be a confrontation , so, dont do it The question is where do you set the limit.. who says what is revealing and what is not. Its slippery slope. Who says what is revealing.. do explain me that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: It wasn’t a quotation. As to what your post suggested, as far as I’m concerned your use of the word “possibilities” is one that suggests the victim’s choice of clothing contributed to their rape. I fully accept you did not mean that, but that’s how I read it. Stop twisting my words around . My post in no way suggested that "she was asking for it" . A victims choice of clothing may indeed contribute to a rape , men do get aroused by females wearing sexy clothes and this may lead some men to commit rape . Woman should be able to wear what ever they want , but there are rapists out there who may rape the woman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfarang Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Back when I was 18 years old I had a date with an 18 year old girl who I worked with. At work she didn`t arouse much attention, mostly wearing slacks and a work overall. Then on the evening of our date it was as if she transformed into a different woman. Long blond hair, thin white blouse and bra that clearly outlined her nipples and a mini skirt almost up to her navel. Must admit she looked gorgeous. We went to a wine bar and in there I became aware of every male customer in the place ogling her and the same everywhere we walked. 2 guys tried to chat her up while I was with her. At one point I thought I might have to fight the guys off. Now, being honest I wasn`t thinking, I bet those guys must be really envious of me out with a girl like that, but actually I felt embarrassed knowing what all those guys were thinking and very uncomfortable in that situation, felt that if I were not on my guard, I would soon be losing my date for the evening, and in competition with lots of other guys. Attitudes haven`t chance since then, boys will always be boys and given half a chance would grab any opportunity for sexual encounters with women like that and yes, I did end up spending the night with that girl. I believe that young attractive women when they dress provocatively are sending out all the wrong messages whether they mean to or not and why this makes them vulnerable. Like it or not women do have certain responsibilities to themselves for their own safety and to a point do share some of the responsibility if they fall victim to sexual attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, sanemax said: Stop twisting my words around . My post in no way suggested that "she was asking for it" . A victims choice of clothing may indeed contribute to a rape , men do get aroused by females wearing sexy clothes and this may lead some men to commit rape . Woman should be able to wear what ever they want , but there are rapists out there who may rape the woman Quote ”A victims choice of clothing may indeed contribute to a rape” Ah huh... The only reason rape happens is because of rapist scum. The victims choice of clothes is not a cause or a contributing factor in rape. People are free to wear whatever they choose to. The behaviour of rapist scum is the only contributing factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Old issue, and there was one US high level judge that asserted the same thing. Certainly should never be a defense for a rapist on trial. But it is up to the person to decide if what he or she is wearing does increase the chances of something bad happening to them. To ignore it, is foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfarang Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Bluespunk said: Quote ”A victims choice of clothing may indeed contribute to a rape” Ah huh... The only reason rape happens is because of rapist scum. The victims choice of clothes is not a cause or a contributing factor in rape. People are free to wear whatever they choose to. The behaviour of rapist scum is the only contributing factor. Agree to a point. For example, if I am out walking alone at night carrying a million baht in my wallet and then get robbed, although the person/s that robbed me are totally in the wrong, would I not still be negligent for letting myself be vulnerable like that or a victim waiting to happen? Would people not say to me; you idiot, why did you walk around at night alone carrying so much money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, cyberfarang said: Agree to a point. For example, if I am out walking alone at night carrying a million baht in my wallet and then get robbed, although the person/s that robbed me are totally in the wrong, would I not still be negligent for letting myself be vulnerable like that or a victim waiting to happen? Would people not say to me; you idiot, why did you walk around at night alone carrying so much money? I will never blame a victim of rape for their suffering. Neither will I compare rape to any other crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 hour ago, sanemax said: And they would act differently , if the possibilities were removed . Thus elevating victim blaming to the somewhat odious level of rape apologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfarang Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: I will never blame a victim of rape for their suffering. Neither will I compare rape to any other crime. Yes, there is probably no worse crime than rape, it`s truly horrific. But there are many bad people out there, those that don`t think like you and I, and all I am saying is; people should have safety awareness and not do things that increases their chances of becoming victims of crime as I was tryng to explain in my previous post. Sorry that doesn`t relate with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, cyberfarang said: Yes, there is probably no worse crime than rape, it`s truly horrific. But there are many bad people out there, those that don`t think like you and I, and all I am saying is; people should have safety awareness and not do things that increases their chances of becoming victims of crime as I was tryng to explain in my previous post. Sorry that doesn`t relate with you. Where does the line get drawn though. One could argue that stepping out of your house opens you to all sorts of potential dangers. So a girl can dress a little bit sexy, but not too much? Who decides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 hour ago, sanemax said: Its really not blaming the victim , its saying that oeople should act in a way so that they do not become a victim Like you should be careful not to swim close to sharks or try to play with wolf packs because they are wild dangerous animals who will turn on you in an instant? Because they have no morals.....no scruples.....only cravings and "appetites". Like men? Especially the men most likely to commit rape.......relatives, friends, people known to the victim......raped in their own homes or in the presence of "trusted" individuals. How about the "authorities" suggesting that men should stop behaving like uncontrolled savage beasts and behave with the respect for women ("others") .... weaker, more vulnerable others....regardless of their "misguided" behaviour.......as decreed by the precious Buddha who they defend and proselytise on behalf of so vigorously? I never seem to hear that admonition. Silly me, the "authorities" are invariably men aren't they? And the message remains: "Women.........don't feed the animals" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfarang Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, giddyup said: Where does the line get drawn though. One could argue that stepping out of your house opens you to all sorts of potential dangers. So a girl can dress a little bit sexy, but not too much? Let me put it to you this way; of course girls can dress somewhat sexy and look attractive when out and about, they are not expected to dress in burkas or like Victorian women when it was considered obscene to show an ankle. But those who dress provocatively to deliberately arouse sexual interest (remembering there are a lot of crazies out there) do so at their own risk and discretion. Being sensible and moderation is the key. Sorry, but can`t explain this in any other ways if this goes above your understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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