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MrPatrickThai

Small AA Group - Tradition 3

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On 11/12/2018 at 11:56 AM, Rugon said:

If they can stop after a few beers and don't have craving, why on earth are they wanting to be AA members?

They are too cheap to pay for proper counseling, that also dosen't exist outside large cities here.

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1 hour ago, MrPatrickThai said:

They are too cheap to pay for proper counseling, that also dosen't exist outside large cities here.

That is a dilemma.

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Yes, regardless of whether or not they identify as alcoholics, in the event our trusted servants determine they are not real alcoholics, they need to be expelled and disallowed from closed AA meetings.

There are programs for these people, but clearly it is not the AA program.

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1 hour ago, mogandave said:

Yes, regardless of whether or not they identify as alcoholics, in the event our trusted servants determine they are not real alcoholics, they need to be expelled and disallowed from closed AA meetings.

 

How exactly can member be sure? I guess they should have a group vote.

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How exactly can member be sure? I guess they should have a group vote.


Exactly, groups need to be able to vote others out they feel are not real alcoholics.
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5 hours ago, mogandave said:

 


Exactly, groups need to be able to vote others out they feel are not real alcoholics.

 

Good to see you've changed your tune.

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19 hours ago, mogandave said:

 


Exactly, groups need to be able to vote others out they feel are not real alcoholics.

 

Why don't you vote on ways that focus on our primary purpose and let the people who claim to be alcoholics and just decided to hang out in an AA meeting (just for the sake of it) sort itself out themselves (as it always does).   You are a member if you say you are a member, so if you are a drug addict, gambler, sex addict, bipolar, crackpot, etc, etc, etc and an ALCOHOLIC you are a member! 

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1 hour ago, Wilson Smith said:

Why don't you vote on ways that focus on our primary purpose and let the people who claim to be alcoholics and just decided to hang out in an AA meeting (just for the sake of it) sort itself out themselves (as it always does).   You are a member if you say you are a member, so if you are a drug addict, gambler, sex addict, bipolar, crackpot, etc, etc, etc and an ALCOHOLIC you are a member! 

What's wrong with gamblers?

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It's clear from this thread that meetings need strong chairs (!), strong trusted servants and strong conscience processes. We don't need debates.... The minute someone starts using 'you' as in 'you don't need to do the programme', ' you should....' the chair needs to tell  the speaker to use 'I', talk exclusively about their personal experience, not offer advice and not cross share. If that doesn't work a quiet word after the meeting, if that doesn't work a group conscience ... And the trusted servants should model this in their sharing too by talking about how the program has helped. But every group needs a core group of culture carriers who are clear about this stuff and also how to deal with it.

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The funny thing (or sad thing) is that many people are very quick to point out a tradition like it is a rule. So many people point to others when they are doing something "wrong". We call out people for not following the traditions. Can you image if we started doing this to with the steps. We would see someone angry, resentful or disturbed and we could start a tread how people are not doing the 4th or the 10th step, we can have long discussions how they are a faking it and not really "working" the program. Anyone who did any selfish or self-centered act we would call out say they are not going step 3. And the classic from the Seinfeld episode on step 9 when George was waiting from an amends from James Spade (who was going to AA) so George went to the AA meeting screaming "step skipper". 

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2 hours ago, mogandave said:

Perhaps we should consider kicking people out that are not working the steps.

Haha that is point, you can't!

 

“It is a spiritual axiom that every time we are disturbed, no matter what the cause, there is something wrong with us.
and more............................
"Continue to watch for selfishness, dishonesty, resentment, and fear. When these crop up, we ask God at once to remove them. We discuss them with someone immediately and make amends quickly if we have harmed anyone. Then we resolutely turn our thoughts to someone we can help."
 
 
“It is a spiritual axiom that every time we are disturbed, no matter what the cause, there is something wrong with us.” 
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Haha that is point, you can't!
 
“It is a spiritual axiom that every time we are disturbed, no matter what the cause, there is something wrong with us. and more............................ "Continue to watch for selfishness, dishonesty, resentment, and fear. When these crop up, we ask God at once to remove them. We discuss them with someone immediately and make amends quickly if we have harmed anyone. Then we resolutely turn our thoughts to someone we can help."     28 likes Like “It is a spiritual axiom that every time we are disturbed, no matter what the cause, there is something wrong with us.” 


I don’t want to kick anyone out.
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