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Put your cards on the table, EU makes last Brexit call to Britain

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We might have stayed if muppets like Tusk had been elected into their positions and were accountable. The electorate had no say in his appointment and their books have never been audited.

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11 minutes ago, evadgib said:

We might have stayed if muppets like Tusk had been elected into their positions and were accountable. The electiriate had no say in his appointment and their books have never been audited!

From Wikipedia about Donald Tusk:

In 2014, he became President of the European Council, and was re-elected to this position in 2017.

 

Stop spreading falsehoods.

 

BTW, who chose May into her position? It sure wasn't the general UK electorate....

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12 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The electorate had no say in his appointment

 

3 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

In 2014, he became President of the European Council, and was re-elected to this position in 2017.

 

Stop spreading falsehoods.

No falsehoods being spread.

 

Tusk was not elected by any electorate.

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5 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

From Wikipedia about Donald Tusk:

In 2014, he became President of the European Council, and was re-elected to this position in 2017.

 

Stop spreading falsehoods.

...as a result of 'mission creep' explained in your link.

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On the assumption that May forces through the exit with or without a deal, what benefits would the UK, with a population of 66 million, have in economic trade competition with the EU, with a combined population of 440m?

 

To leave the EU without any deal would be the worst case scenario for the UK, and result in businesses crashing in the UK or relocating to the EU together with multi-million job losses throughout the UK  when that occurs. The current economic loss to UK's economy is £400m a week since the referendum, and that will be peanuts if no agreement is reached.

 

Plus renewed armed violence in Ireland in total violation of the Good Friday peace agreement the UK government is committed to uphold.

 

But what the hell - carry on believing that the UK would be a better place to live.

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28 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

That headline should read

 

Why ?

 

From yesterday's remainer Bible - AKA the Guardian.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/29/eu-uk-divide-poses-serious-threat-to-brexit-talks-says-barnier

 

The cat is now well and truly out of the bag. The project must be saved at all costs.

 

Quit with the fake negotiations. play the 3 cards in my previous comment.

 

 

Sit back and watch the EU / Barnier squirm like snakes in a sack.

Completely misses the point that even the British PM says she hasn’t got anything to put on the table until she gets her white paper agreed with her own cabinet.

 

The PM hasn’t yet agreed her negotiating position with her own cabinet - so let’s blame that on the EU.

 

And this was going to be so very easy.

 

Doh!

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12 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

 

No falsehoods being spread.

 

Tusk was not elected by any electorate.

Likewise, the British public did not elect Theresa May to the position of PM!

 

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4 minutes ago, Expatthailover said:

The service that gave us philby, burgess and maclean and instrumental in extending the cold war at least a decade longer than its real shelf life due to a heady combination of british upper class stupidity and snobbishness

Our intelligence services are far better than any in Europe and rest assured the rest of the world knows it.

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40 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

That headline should read

 

Why ?

 

From yesterday's remainer Bible - AKA the Guardian.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/29/eu-uk-divide-poses-serious-threat-to-brexit-talks-says-barnier

 

The cat is now well and truly out of the bag. The project must be saved at all costs.

 

Quit with the fake negotiations. play the 3 cards in my previous comment.

 

 

Sit back and watch the EU / Barnier squirm like snakes in a sack.

 

Of course it must be saved at all costs. It represent cohesion and stability. Without wishing to sound dismissive, it is clear that the majority of people in any democracy are not sufficiently politically engaged to be able to make a reasonable and informed decision about complex matters such as Brexit. That is why we have corrupt, shadowy organisations willing to pump masses of dirty money into the generation of fake news via fake organisations to sway the gullible public with populist sentiment. Which is why we have Trump in the White House and Brexit on our table - the public has been seduced into believing that such unthinkables might actually present the the answers to our problems.

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27 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

From Wikipedia about Donald Tusk:

In 2014, he became President of the European Council, and was re-elected to this position in 2017.

 

Stop spreading falsehoods.

 

BTW, who chose May into her position? It sure wasn't the general UK electorate....

The poster you are replying to said that Tusk was not elected by the electorate, which is true, I’m very surprised that you didn't know that.

 

The Tory party chose May into her position, in the same way the labour party chose James Callaghan in 1976, and Gordon Brown 2007; again I am surprised that you were unaware that this is common practice when a Prime Minister resigns

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35 minutes ago, evadgib said:

We might have stayed if muppets like Tusk had been elected into their positions and were accountable. The electorate had no say in his appointment and their books have never been audited.

It is important to stress that around 80% of the EU budget is managed by member states themselves, and not by EU institutions. The EU transfers funds to the national treasuries and then the countries themselves decide which projects to spend the money on. The auditors have called on EU countries to take more care in their spending. 

 

The EU's accounts are scrutinised by the Court of Auditors, which checks whether they correctly reflect the spending of the EU budget.

The latest report, published in 2015 for accounts in 2014, explicitly said that the auditors were "signing off the accounts" as they have done every year since 2007.

The Court did point out that some of the funds - 4.4% of the total in 2014 - were not used in accordance with the EU rules. But it stressed that this "is not a measure of fraud, inefficiency or waste", but money that: "should not have been paid out because it was not used in accordance with the applicable rules and regulations".

The auditors said typical cases involved roads or airports that attracted insufficient traffic.

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1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

It represent cohesion and stability. Without wishing to sound dismissive, it is clear that the majority of people in any democracy are not sufficiently politically engaged to be able to make a reasonable and informed decision about complex matters such as Brexit.

Is that correct ?

 

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Which is why we have Trump in the White House and Brexit on our table - the public has been seduced into believing that such unthinkables might actually present the the answers to our problems.

And 1 in 4 EU Countries, and rising in the hands of '' Populist Governments '' suggests that the majority of voters are now very aware of what has been going on for the last 30 years and are now saying no more.

 

Without being dismissive ? ?It would seem that it is you, and people like you, that are insufficiently engaged with your brain matter to make assumptions about anyone.

 

All these people, in all these Countries are not brainwashed, falling for fake news, racists, xenophobes or right wing lunatics.

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1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Interesting to know it's only non-Brits who think that way.

So untrue.

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1 minute ago, The Renegade said:

Is that correct ?

Care to offer an alternative perspective? Are you suggesting that the majority of Europeans understand the intricacies of their domestic and international political engagements? If so, why was Brexit still such a black box? Why, even now, can the architects still not define what it means?

 

1 minute ago, The Renegade said:

And 1 in 4 EU Countries, and rising in the hands of '' Populist Governments '' suggests that the majority of voters are now very aware of what has been going on for the last 30 years and are now saying no more.

 

Without being dismissive ? ?It would seem that it is you, and people like you, that are insufficiently engaged with your brain matter to make assumptions about anyone.

An alternative perspective could be that there are corrupt, tax avoiding billionaires across Europe, emulating the Vote Leave playbook. Why should it only be the UK's corrupt, tax avoiding billionaires who benefit from the chaos they funded?

 

7 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

All these people, in all these Countries are not brainwashed, falling for fake news, racists, xenophobes or right wing lunatics. 

I appreciate that you have a stong reason for pushing this line, but the picture from where many of us are sitting is that you are so very, very wrong.

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2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

So untrue.

Do you understand that my comment

"Interesting to know it's only non-Brits who think that way"

was in response to this assertion from vogie?

 

"Why do non brits think they know better than than us?"

 

Apparently vogie believes it's only non-brits who are opposed to Brexit. Maybe it was illegal immigrant Mexicans who voted for remain?

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