Trapped boys could be rescued THIS WEEK, says Chiang Rai governor

[Jonmarleesco]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Nick Beake shared a video of Thai soldiers forming a ‘ring of steal’ 

A ring of what? 

[DM07]

All experts from abroad and even the Thais involved in this mission, are talking about a lot of obstacles and difficulties.

But according to some government- muppet, they will be out this week...which is lasting about 3 to 5 days, depending on how you count!

Hmmmmmmm...who to listen to and believe?

I just can't figure it out!

 

[Jonmarleesco]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

'... deputy prime minister Prawit Wongsuwan played down reports that it could take up to four months to evacuate the boys.'

And he knows, I'm sure.

[DILLIGAD]

Let’s hope the premier rescue team have given concise instructions before they jet back to Blighty.


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[biplanebluey]

1 hour ago, coulson said:

Being the expert on time....

 

It will be 5 years his mob will have taken to organize a simple ballot, he doesn't have any ground to start going on about any projected timescales.

 

Go back to the national security trough, you muppet.

Hahaha

[Badrabbit]

Let's hope the Thai government are treating this more seriously than they do with road safety!

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[Spock]

32 minutes ago, tropo said:

I did use the word "if" in relation to the option of waiting. I don't know what's the safest option. Only the experts can advise on that.

 

Allow me to adjust the "100% safe" to "the SAFEST option". Of course with a 4-month wait, there's more chance that a rescuer or member of a support team will perish.

 

If my wife was one of the 13 trapped in there, there is no way that she could be extracted by diving. She is absolutely terrified of water and being submerged. Perhaps some of the kids are the same. Apparently, none of them can swim.

 

 

None of them can swim?! They can play football, ride bike and go many kilometers deep into a cave, but none of them can swim. That's outrageous really. Swimming should be one of the first skills taught to kids, particularly if they are going to be led deep into caves during the rainy season by irresponsible adults.  Anyway, Australian press is reporting the rescue will probably take place tomorrow, which means they won't be swimming out. As for the psychologist saying the boys will feel guilt for the costly mistake they made, surely the only one who should be feeling guilt, and lots of it, is the adult who led them 5 kilometers into the cave.

[Spock]

22 minutes ago, Jonmarleesco said:

And he knows, I'm sure.

He could check one of his 25 watches for an approximate date.

[tropo]

29 minutes ago, Spock said:

None of them can swim?! They can play football, ride bike and go many kilometers deep into a cave, but none of them can swim. That's outrageous really. Swimming should be one of the first skills taught to kids, particularly if they are going to be led deep into caves during the rainy season by irresponsible adults.  Anyway, Australian press is reporting the rescue will probably take place tomorrow, which means they won't be swimming out. As for the psychologist saying the boys will feel guilt for the costly mistake they made, surely the only one who should be feeling guilt, and lots of it, is the adult who led them 5 kilometers into the cave.

There's no need to fixate on swimming skills. Scuba diving is not swimming. The point is if they cannot swim, they will not be comfortable in water, making it even more difficult to teach them scuba skills.

 

 CNN only hours ago reported: "search teams unsure how to free trapped boys". What does the Australian press know that everyone else has missed?

[TonyClifton]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

“If you were in their shoes, having accidentally made a mistake that caused so many people a lot of trouble, you would already feel guilty and sorry enough. What the children have been through in the cave is sufficient lesson for them. They already know they made a mistake. This will be a great lesson for them.”

How is it possible, that the writer of this paragraph forgets it was their coach who led them into this situation?  

[Jingthing]

Unbelievable that anyone would blame the boys. Shocking actually.

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[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, tropo said:

There's no need to fixate on swimming skills. Scuba diving is not swimming. The point is if they cannot swim, they will not be comfortable in water, making it even more difficult to teach them scuba skills.

 

 CNN only hours ago reported: "search teams unsure how to free trapped boys". What does the Australian press know what everyone else has missed?

Yes, but on the upside, they are kids, and kids are taught scuba more easily. Plus they want to go home. The most important skill to teach with scuba is buoyancy, and that is not an issue here. Buoyancy depends on a few things, the most important one breathing, and that is an issue here. As long as they can control their breathing to a certain extend they'll be ok.

[Lampang2]

Oh for sure they'll bring them through one at a time rather than all at once.
 
And in response to tropo's post, waiting isn't 100% safe either. The water could rise, there could be a cave-in, and beyond that there is the psychological risk & damage of extending the whole thing.
 
It's all risky, and there has to be one person with responsibility to make the call, advised by all experts. You can't run these things by committee and try to gain consensus on the best path forward, when it's all life or death decisions and risks in every direction.

I would listen to the parents of each child.

As there is no safe way to do this, informing of the risk and involve parents is my choice.

2 bad options to choose from.

[Lampang2]

Duplicate posting.

[webfact]

Hospital plan after cave exit includes 2 days in isolation room

By Natthawat Laping 
The Nation

 

 

The 12 young footballers and their assistant coach will be placed in the sterile isolation room of a hospital for one to two days after being brought out of the flooded Tham Luang cave before their parents and relatives will be allowed to see and visit them, according to a plan.
 

The youths will then be required to stay at Chiangrai Prachanukroh Hospital for at least a week pending results of lab test results on the samples collected from them, as part of precautions to be taken to identify and treat any serious diseases picked up in the cave, Public Health Permanent Secretary Dr Jessada Chokdamrongsuk told a press conference on Wednesday.

 

The footballers, aged 11-16, and their 25-year-old coach assistant, who remain in the cave pending a solution to bring them out safely, will also require three to seven days for their stomachs to re-adjust to properly digest food after having done without for more than a week, he said.

 

The team members will also need to wear sunglasses once they are brought out of dark cave to give their eyes time to adjustment before getting the eye doctor's nod, said Jessada.

 

Chiangrai Prachanukroh Hospital has already prepared a separate large sterile room with equipment, giving it the capacity equivalent to that of an Intensive Care Unit and able to treat the 13 patients.

 

As two of the players suffer from asthma, specialist physicians would also be on hand at the hospital's sterile room, he added.

 

For the first day or two, the team would not be allowed visitors as they underwent detailed check-ups and treatment. The hospital has also arranged accommodation for the 50 registered family members so they could visit the youths periodically later, Jessada said.

 

Responding to media questions about whether plan had been prepared for the team members, Jessada replied that the ministry had from the beginning supported the rescue mission in terms of staff, medical supplies and food. After the players and coach were found in the cave on Monday, the ministry also created a transportation plan that involves a 15-minute helicopter ride followed by a one-hour ambulance ride to the hospital.

 

Jessada also urged any relatives, as well as officials or volunteers involved in the mission, to call for medical aid at the hospital's phone number (053910600) if they suspect they may have caught any cave-linked illnesses.

 

Jessada also reported that prior to the children's discovery, six relatives had developed depression but their conditions had much improved after receiving the news of their discovery.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30349297

 

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[shackleton]

I am sure there is enough qualified professionals in Cave Rescue techniques

Will be having  a brainstorming session and come up with a solution in getting the kids out as soon and safe as possible  

talking days/ weeks at the most not months

[stevenl]

Diseases from this? Sorry, I don't believe that. Just reunite them with their families as soon as possible.

[tropo]

CNN did a great job here explaining the complexities of getting the boys out. Worth a look if you have a spare 2 minutes.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/03/asia/thai-rescue-next-phase-intl/index.html

[cardinalblue]

I hope they become part of a 50 year longitudinal social-psych study measuring the positive/negative effects of a traumatic experience with specific criteria and proper control groups in place..

 

Could make a contribution to the world of behavioral psychology...

 

i bet the minds at Chula and  Thammasat are in full swing....

[NCC1701A]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Quarantine_Facility

[LennyW]

9 minutes ago, TonyClifton said:

How is it possible, that the writer of this paragraph forgets it was their coach who led them into this situation?  

According to another news article this morning one of the parents called the coach as the kids had not come home, he then went from the soccer field to the cave to look for them.....he did not lead them in there initially.

Cant get back to that article now on facebook, i believe it was from one of the UK papers.

[Mattd]

16 minutes ago, webfact said:

the ministry also created a transportation plan that involves a 15-minute helicopter ride followed by a one-hour ambulance ride to the hospital.

Really, why not just take them directly to the hospital?

I can understand the need to check them all out thoroughly, but quarantine? 

[pathologix]

Not sure why the governor is getting so much hate (aside from Thaivisa's typically racist, anti-everything-Thailand attitude). 

 

He said that they "could". Not "will". Same thing said by some experts, who have said this brief dry spell "might" offer the safest window before possibly catastrophic downpours as the wet season gets into full swing. 

 

And, not sure if you have noticed, but this is front page news globally. There are hundreds of journalists there and a domestic audience starving for updates. Already, official updates are very few and far between. He is an obvious choice as a spokesman who can relay along the discussions the team is having. Indeed, it's the duty of politicians to update the public during crisis situations. I think that they have actually been doing a great job of crisis PR (which is always more art than science). Far superior to some of the natural disaster pr in the West in recent years...

 

If he wasn't giving statements, you would be bashing the government for lack of information and restricting the press. 

 

Obviously he wants them out safe... He has been very outspoken about it. Maybe y'all should give a Thai official the benefit of the doubt for a change. Especially during such a complex, unprecedented event, which nobody knows how to handle perfectly. Try having some empathy?

[worgeordie]

So according to the Chiang Rai Governor they are going to be rescued

this week,so the appeal for small face masks has been successful ?,

too cheap charlie to order some urgently.

 

They need to do something quickly,Ist make sure they have all the

gear they need,2nd put together a plan that will work to evacuate

the lads,which Thai official is going to be brave enough to give the

go ahead,knowing if something goes wrong,they wont want to take

the blame,just make sure it's not the governor or some politician,

but someone who really knows the situation,and everyone hopes 

the boys get out safe and well.

 

regards worgeordie

 

 

[katana]

30 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, but on the upside, they are kids, and kids are taught scuba more easily. Plus they want to go home. The most important skill to teach with scuba is buoyancy, and that is not an issue here. Buoyancy depends on a few things, the most important one breathing, and that is an issue here. As long as they can control their breathing to a certain extend they'll be ok.

They'll also need to learn how to equalize the pressure in their ears.

[pathologix]

6 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

So according to the Chiang Rai Governor they are going to be rescued this week

 

 

Source?

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, tropo said:

I'm sure the different rescue teams have different ideas about safety and the risks they are willing to take. I hope the Thais in charge don't push for a quick evacuation rather than wait it out if that's the only 100% safe option. Keeping them in the cave for up to 4 months will be extremely expensive, so hopefully, they are not weighing costs against acceptable loss. I've seen a number of hints by the Thai media that they are in a hurry to attempt immediate evacuation. There was even talk about a possible extraction last night.

 

I don’t think that cost is the issue as there is a lot to be gained by the Government in ensuring the boys are delivered home safely. I think the worry is that’s the cave  could become flooded and the kids still can’t escape the flood and drown. I think it is still a very dangerous situation and so the might want to evacuate them as soon as possible. A few months in a cave may well affect them psychologically, a ptsd issue. So I hope they can get them out soon.

[PEE TEE]

I am to understand from the ITV news . the may have to get them out quick as it is looking like heavy rain coming . These boys will have to be very brave to submerge with diving gear without much instruction. it would scare me to bits . also many of them cannot swim . 

I wish them all the very best of luck and strength. just hope they can get out with out any losses  . So happy they have found them all alive  praying they can get them out the same .  

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, PEE TEE said:

I am to understand from the ITV news . the may have to get them out quick as it is looking like heavy rain coming . These boys will have to be very brave to submerge with diving gear without much instruction. it would scare me to bits . also many of them cannot swim . 

I wish them all the very best of luck and strength. just hope they can get out with out any losses  . So happy they have found them all alive  praying they can get them out the same .  

As a dive instructor, I am convinced they'll be ok.

[canuckamuck]

Hospital plan after cave exit includes 2 days in isolation room
By Natthawat Laping 
The Nation
 

 
The 12 young footballers and their assistant coach will be placed in the sterile isolation room of a hospital for one to two days after being brought out of the flooded Tham Luang cave before their parents and relatives will be allowed to see and visit them, according to a plan.
 
The youths will then be required to stay at Chiangrai Prachanukroh Hospital for at least a week pending results of lab test results on the samples collected from them, as part of precautions to be taken to identify and treat any serious diseases picked up in the cave, Public Health Permanent Secretary Dr Jessada Chokdamrongsuk told a press conference on Wednesday.
 
The footballers, aged 11-16, and their 25-year-old coach assistant, who remain in the cave pending a solution to bring them out safely, will also require three to seven days for their stomachs to re-adjust to properly digest food after having done without for more than a week, he said.
 
The team members will also need to wear sunglasses once they are brought out of dark cave to give their eyes time to adjustment before getting the eye doctor's nod, said Jessada.
 
Chiangrai Prachanukroh Hospital has already prepared a separate large sterile room with equipment, giving it the capacity equivalent to that of an Intensive Care Unit and able to treat the 13 patients.
 
As two of the players suffer from asthma, specialist physicians would also be on hand at the hospital's sterile room, he added.
 
For the first day or two, the team would not be allowed visitors as they underwent detailed check-ups and treatment. The hospital has also arranged accommodation for the 50 registered family members so they could visit the youths periodically later, Jessada said.
 
Responding to media questions about whether plan had been prepared for the team members, Jessada replied that the ministry had from the beginning supported the rescue mission in terms of staff, medical supplies and food. After the players and coach were found in the cave on Monday, the ministry also created a transportation plan that involves a 15-minute helicopter ride followed by a one-hour ambulance ride to the hospital.
 
Jessada also urged any relatives, as well as officials or volunteers involved in the mission, to call for medical aid at the hospital's phone number (053910600) if they suspect they may have caught any cave-linked illnesses.
 
Jessada also reported that prior to the children's discovery, six relatives had developed depression but their conditions had much improved after receiving the news of their discovery.
 
Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30349297
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