Badrabbit Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Stop bickering, t's going to be incredibly difficult if not impossible to dive those lads out, I would be terrified at the prospect of going 2000meters through flooded tiny tunnels etc imagine how those lads will feel!Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathologix Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Media1 said: A typical TV comment. Are you part of the VIP club No... posts that are slandering the Thai governor are "typical TV comments". Mine was just an admittedly snarky way of trying to make people take a pause from blaming Thai officials for everything at every opportunity, and maybe giving them the benefit of the doubt. I can't read the guy's mind. Maybe you are right, and he couldn't care less about the kids and is just using this as a PR opportunity. But I would have something that looked a lot more like evidence before defaming him with such an extreme accusation. A governor being a spokesperson, and giving an [infrequent] update to the press about the current situation hardly looks like grandstanding to me. It is exactly what governors in every country in the world do during times like this, as it is their duty as public officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 26 minutes ago, pathologix said: Again, your expertise obviously far surpasses that of the SEAL team. Maybe you should tell them about these huge hypothermia risks at 26 degrees Celsius (source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/03/rescue-of-boys-trapped-in-thai-cave-could-take-months-military-warns) He probably is smarter than the seal team here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, bannork said: Where are the public swimming pools in Thailand, especially upcountry? Most are private and cost a bit to enter. Plus they may be 50 km or more from the schools. Yes your right, the school I taught at is only about two miles from the swimming pool. Maybe that's why there are so many children in drowning accidents here in Thailand. Not enough swimming pools for children to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, pathologix said: No... posts that are slandering the Thai governor are "typical TV comments". Mine was just an admittedly snarky way of trying to make people take a pause from blaming Thai officials for everything at every opportunity, and maybe giving them the benefit of the doubt. I can't read the guy's mind. Maybe you are right, and he couldn't care less about the kids and is just using this as a PR opportunity. But I would have something that looked a lot more like evidence before defaming him with such an extreme accusation. A governor being a spokesperson, and giving an [infrequent] update to the press about the current situation hardly looks like grandstanding to me. It is exactly what governors in every country in the world do during times like this, as it is their duty as public officials. Employed by the care takers god bless them lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, stevenl said: As a dive instructor, I am convinced they'll be ok. Wouldn't they have a close contact life-line attached a professional diver and be taken one by one, that would be a comfort way for me to get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 minute ago, possum1931 said: Yes your right, the school I taught at is only about two miles from the school. Maybe that's why there are so many children in drowning accidents here in Thailand. Not enough swimming pools for children to learn. Lots of watches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Jean Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Media1 said: I think you have no idea. I served in the army. Did you ? Do you know anything about mental preparation for a evacuation with untrained victims ? Your insults mean nothing to me a TV comment all standard here. So you really are convinced that hundreds of people can not do more then 1 task at the same time. You served in the army? Really? Did you get shot in the head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Just now, Media1 said: Lots of watches Sorry, there was a typo in my post. I have corrected it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Just now, Khun Jean said: So you really are convinced that hundreds of people can not do more then 1 task at the same time. You served in the army? Really? Did you get shot in the head? LOL you should be in the command post with your insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILLIGAD Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 I don't want to put a downer on things, and no blame to the coach and kids, but what does it say for Thailand as a country and it's educational system when sports minded teenagers never got the chance to learn how to swim at school? I am saying this because of the reports in the media that these kids cannot swim, maybe the reports are not true, and they can swim. When I was a teacher, the students went to the swimming baths one day per week.In modern day Isaan, Thailand? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Badrabbit said: Stop bickering, t's going to be incredibly difficult if not impossible to dive those lads out, I would be terrified at the prospect of going 2000meters through flooded tiny tunnels etc imagine how those lads will feel! Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app They will do what there told. They can easily get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badrabbit Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 They will do what there told. They can easily get out. Okay it's good to know that a stressed person who is probably terrified etc can just do as they are told, all is okay then!!Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 minute ago, DILLIGAD said: In modern day Isaan, Thailand? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yes, a few times I have been looking for a teacher or student to be told they were at the swimming pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Just now, Badrabbit said: Okay it's good to know that a stressed person who is probably terrified etc can just do as they are told, all is okay then!! Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Now you know. That's why this operation has been a abortion..To many mouths surrounding command post of confusion. Bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Badrabbit said: Okay it's good to know that a stressed person who is probably terrified etc can just do as they are told, all is okay then!! There tough kids, one of the first things they said is we're hungry, not being use to fast flowing muddy underwater swimming is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILLIGAD Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Yes, a few times I have been looking for a teacher or student to be told they were at the swimming pool.I sincerely hope your right and I am wrong. In my experience in Isaan villages/schools & universities, not many students/kids can swim (unfortunately) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 2 hours ago, webfact said: Hospital plan after cave exit includes 2 days in isolation room By Natthawat Laping The Nation The 12 young footballers and their assistant coach will be placed in the sterile isolation room of a hospital for one to two days after being brought out of the flooded Tham Luang cave before their parents and relatives will be allowed to see and visit them, according to a plan. The youths will then be required to stay at Chiangrai Prachanukroh Hospital for at least a week pending results of lab test results on the samples collected from them, as part of precautions to be taken to identify and treat any serious diseases picked up in the cave, Public Health Permanent Secretary Dr Jessada Chokdamrongsuk told a press conference on Wednesday. The footballers, aged 11-16, and their 25-year-old coach assistant, who remain in the cave pending a solution to bring them out safely, will also require three to seven days for their stomachs to re-adjust to properly digest food after having done without for more than a week, he said. The team members will also need to wear sunglasses once they are brought out of dark cave to give their eyes time to adjustment before getting the eye doctor's nod, said Jessada. Chiangrai Prachanukroh Hospital has already prepared a separate large sterile room with equipment, giving it the capacity equivalent to that of an Intensive Care Unit and able to treat the 13 patients. As two of the players suffer from asthma, specialist physicians would also be on hand at the hospital's sterile room, he added. For the first day or two, the team would not be allowed visitors as they underwent detailed check-ups and treatment. The hospital has also arranged accommodation for the 50 registered family members so they could visit the youths periodically later, Jessada said. Responding to media questions about whether plan had been prepared for the team members, Jessada replied that the ministry had from the beginning supported the rescue mission in terms of staff, medical supplies and food. After the players and coach were found in the cave on Monday, the ministry also created a transportation plan that involves a 15-minute helicopter ride followed by a one-hour ambulance ride to the hospital. Jessada also urged any relatives, as well as officials or volunteers involved in the mission, to call for medical aid at the hospital's phone number (053910600) if they suspect they may have caught any cave-linked illnesses. Jessada also reported that prior to the children's discovery, six relatives had developed depression but their conditions had much improved after receiving the news of their discovery. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30349297 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-07-04 Two days in isolation when they get out?? What they need is a few days with family in a controlled place, and by that I mean medical supervision no media no politicians and no public figures looking for a photo session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Media1 said: No time for bullshit and dragging it out. 3 days start evac. No need to share the media is sharing already lol. Training should have commenced today. Training has started today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 52 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Wouldn't they have a close contact life-line attached a professional diver and be taken one by one, that would be a comfort way for me to get out. Yes, buddy line can be used. Don't think they'll have their own tank, and probably 2 divers per kid, one front, one back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 52 minutes ago, DILLIGAD said: I sincerely hope your right and I am wrong. In my experience in Isaan villages/schools & universities, not many students/kids can swim (unfortunately) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yes, Bannork, that's another poster, says there are not many swimming pools near schools in Isaan. Hope everything is OK for you now after your motorbike accident. Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve73 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Kwasaki said: Wouldn't they have a close contact life-line attached a professional diver and be taken one by one, that would be a comfort way for me to get out. I would think they would use the lead diver to supply the air to the kid, via a longer than normal "buddy" line, and a harness & leash. The lead guy effectively pulling the kid through, with a following diver to assist in the tight squeezes. Yes, the diver and passenger would consume air much faster, but assuming there are the occasional un-flooded sections to change tanks as we are told there are plenty of spare tanks (every 25m or so), then this should be do-able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Maybe it is the Governer's job to keep up the morale and hope of his people (families of the boys) and also those volunteers who are still working at the rescue face? And he was quoted as saying "could" not would. Don't be too harsh on him, cut him a bit of slack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve73 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, stevenl said: Yes, buddy line can be used. Don't think they'll have their own tank, and probably 2 divers per kid, one front, one back. Sorry mate - didn't see your reply when I made mine.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 3 hours ago, pathologix said: Source? The heading ,or is it more fake news ? regards Worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamkyong Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 re the telephone line i hope they do not choose cat/tot the boys will be out and safe before those two get there act together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 7 hours ago, greenchair said: I really loved that. There's no need to be teaching and preaching to them. They already know and have learned their lesson enough. their story , the story of their rescuers and all the countries that stood side by side will be long talked about in the history books. When they leave the cave, the positive legacy of all that transpired will stay with the Thai people and their foreign friends forever. I'm proud of them all. I hope the Thai media take those comments on board.. not push the parents or kids to do endless interviews or hound them at home... give them a break.. at least a few months then let those who wish to speak come forward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 4 hours ago, AlexRich said: I don’t think that cost is the issue as there is a lot to be gained by the Government in ensuring the boys are delivered home safely. I think the worry is that’s the cave could become flooded and the kids still can’t escape the flood and drown. I think it is still a very dangerous situation and so the might want to evacuate them as soon as possible. A few months in a cave may well affect them psychologically, a ptsd issue. So I hope they can get them out soon. The only people I'm hearing from that seem to want a very quick extraction are the Thai authorities and media. I'm not hearing that from the foreign rescue teams who still seem to be undecided about the best way to proceed. From what has been reported so far I gather that there are safe dry areas within the cave system. I don't think they would have been talking about bringing in a 4 month's supply of provisions if there weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathologix Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, worgeordie said: The heading ,or is it more fake news ? regards Worgeordie Title: "Trapped boys could be rescued this week” You: “according to the Chiang Rai Governor they are going to be rescued this week” Spot the difference. You are putting false words into someone's mouth as a way to insult him – a very dirty and deceitful rhetorical strategy. Nevermind you totally ignoring his quote about any solution needing to be absolutely safe before moving forward with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathologix Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, hotchilli said: I hope the Thai media take those comments on board.. not push the parents or kids to do endless interviews or hound them at home... give them a break.. at least a few months then let those who wish to speak come forward! I really hope that amongst all the do-gooders volunteering their expertise are some lawyers and media professionals who can explain to families the likely aftermath of the incident and get a clear understanding of what the families want. They should understand the various choices they have in terms of media exposure, and the possible risks/rewards/consequences/etc. The media have every right to make requests for interviews, etc. But expecting the families to make informed decisions about whether and when to participate without the advice of seasoned pros is terribly unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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