tifino Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 hmmm... now what could the Thai specialists have up their sleeve, to get it with over quickly? Well, they are well stocked with tanks down there, so maybe employ a Navy idea first: - blow all the tanks at once, and do what a submarine does best when it blows it's ballast and then hope that water all gets purged away, all the while hoping there is no explosion, somewhat like an Apollo One Just hope now the expert international forces are still there, with a voice capable of countering any rush-the-job Governor scheme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandrabbit Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, tifino said: all the while hoping there is no explosion, somewhat like an Apollo One that wasn't an explosion that was a fire in a pure oxygen atmosphere, the poor bastards were screaming and it takes minutes to release the hatch on an Apollo capsule because I don't think they had an explosive hatch fitted at the time as it was one of the first pressurised tests of the capsule with the crew inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heng Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 There's a time constraint on the other end as well. Presuming that they aren't camped out in a part of the cave system that happens to have a working toilet, disease will quickly become an issue, now that they are being fed. Drowning vs. disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 7 hours ago, Jonmarleesco said: And he knows, I'm sure. TIME will tell, that's his only expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathologix Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, Heng said: There's a time constraint on the other end as well. Presuming that they aren't camped out in a part of the cave system that happens to have a working toilet, disease will quickly become an issue, now that they are being fed. Drowning vs. disease. Obviously, none of us have enough details to know how they are dealing with this, and I know near nothing about sanitation risks. However, I'd assume the considerably well credentialed team of survival experts would have thought about this and provided some sort of waste-disposal solution, should one be needed. Though, to my understanding, millions of liters of moving water are swiftly passing through the cavern every day, so I wouldn't think that the relatively small amount of waste created by a dozen or so people would be a huge problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bung Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 The governor said they COULD be rescued this week. He never said they will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy chappie Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 5 hours ago, possum1931 said: Yes your right, the school I taught at is only about two miles from the swimming pool. Maybe that's why there are so many children in drowning accidents here in Thailand. Not enough swimming pools for children to learn. I live in a large village/small town and they built a pool here which apart from the first couple of months it looks like its closed down already.i believe everyone can swim if they put the effort into it.my dad taught me how to swim.he threw me in the deep end and hey presto I soon picked it up.my mum used to send us and our mates on a bus we would be there at the pool for the whole day.we all would be shaking like a leaf on the bus home as we burnt up so much energy.fond memories long past.my stepson is lazy,sits around strumming a guitar dreaming of being a pop star and can't swim,however his younger cousin plays for a football team can swim like a fish and have both the same opportunity as they live a stones throw from each other.I don't like to admit it but can beat me over 2 lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy chappie Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Just reading some of the replies here and thinking why did they need international dive teams when all they had to do is appeal on Thai visa for some real experts.diving in nice blue seas and potholing under water are two different games.a bit like flying in the blue skies or flying to the dark side of the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Head Soup Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 10 hours ago, BobbyL said: However, the governor denied reports in Thai media that the boys will be evacuated today. I am pretty sure it was him who started that rumour yesterday. He may be the governor, but if he hasn't anything concrete based on expert advice to say, I think he is better leaving comments like this well alone. He's not even the governor anymore. He was transferred already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Head Soup Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 38 minutes ago, happy chappie said: his younger cousin plays for a football team can swim like a fish Billy? Plays for Fulchester United FC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy chappie Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said: Billy? Plays for Fulchester United FC? Viz used to have me in stitches and tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy chappie Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said: He's not even the governor anymore. He was transferred already. Not another one,no wonder the roads in Thailand are so busy nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yrag Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Governor is an self righteous thai who failed to mention the brits in the Rescue upon discovery, Horrible insult to the brits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathologix Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, yrag said: Governor is an self righteous thai who failed to mention the brits in the Rescue upon discovery, Horrible insult to the brits "The governor thanked both Thai and international volunteers for their dedication in this operation... The governor praised and gave credits to two British cave diving experts who found the missing team." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30349191 Don't let facts get in the way of your racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yrag Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 minute ago, pathologix said: "The governor thanked both Thai and international volunteers for their dedication in this operation... The governor praised and gave credits to two British cave diving experts who found the missing team." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30349191 Don't let facts get in the way of your racism. 1 minute ago, pathologix said: "The governor thanked both Thai and international volunteers for their dedication in this operation... The governor praised and gave credits to two British cave diving experts who found the missing team." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30349191 Don't let facts get in the way of your racism. Yes after it was brought to his attention...upon discovery his fist speech he mentioned Thai seals only...and apparently you looking in mirror at your self ...Mr.Racist...its called the looking glass effect...Now you have a good day there... path whatever you call your self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathologix Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 minute ago, yrag said: Yes after it was brought to his attention... You have this information from where? Your many connections in the inner sanctum of the rescue operation? What a bizarre obsession with defaming a public officials who honestly, to my eyes, looks like he's doing the best he can during a very difficult situation. 6 minutes ago, yrag said: and apparently you looking in mirror at your self ...Mr.Racist... Huh? I haven't written anything remotely related to somebody's race, ever. Certainly nothing like: 24 minutes ago, yrag said: Governor is an self righteous thai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Head Soup Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 38 minutes ago, pathologix said: "The governor thanked both Thai and international volunteers for their dedication in this operation... The governor praised and gave credits to two British cave diving experts who found the missing team." After he was called out on social media for not doing so the first time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigeone Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 This Yrag is some pup isn't he !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 8 hours ago, happy chappie said: I live in a large village/small town and they built a pool here which apart from the first couple of months it looks like its closed down already.i believe everyone can swim if they put the effort into it.my dad taught me how to swim.he threw me in the deep end and hey presto I soon picked it up.my mum used to send us and our mates on a bus we would be there at the pool for the whole day.we all would be shaking like a leaf on the bus home as we burnt up so much energy.fond memories long past.my stepson is lazy,sits around strumming a guitar dreaming of being a pop star and can't swim,however his younger cousin plays for a football team can swim like a fish and have both the same opportunity as they live a stones throw from each other.I don't like to admit it but can beat me over 2 lengths. Good story, I can see why your user name is Happy Chappy, long may you stay happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadperfect Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I see 2 weeks of solid rain every day. In the forecast. I guess thai people dont bother with these or they listen to thai met. Those pumps better be backed up with 3 on standbye There bat shit crazy to say 4 months Alprazolam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 8 hours ago, happy chappie said: Viz used to have me in stitches and tears. I was definitely amused the other day to see British caver Vern Unsworth referred to as Big Vern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 hours ago, possum1931 said: Thaibeachlovers, would you mind telling me what you think is confusing? The idea that only in Thailand are kids not taught to swim at school. Some people obviously have such hatred for Thailand that they seize on anything, no matter how irrelevant, to denigrate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 hours ago, pathologix said: Again, your expertise obviously far surpasses that of the SEAL team. Maybe you should tell them about these huge hypothermia risks at 26 degrees Celsius (source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/03/rescue-of-boys-trapped-in-thai-cave-could-take-months-military-warns) I see that rather than contribute in a meaningful way to the conversation, you think it is relevant to make pointless and insulting personal attacks on me, which says much about you. Perhaps you can inform us as to your expertise in survival that says I'm wrong, and a link to the ground temperature in the cave where they are would help your case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 hours ago, Media1 said: Water is water they will be in it. It will make no difference the rains will come soon.. They must begin immediate mind set on the boys. The water machines are not the crucial point. A small help to delay. There is no time for delays Do you remember what it was like being a small child? In that situation, I'd be terrified about diving through a flooded tunnel, regardless of what anyone said to me. Remember that seals are not qualified child psychologists and I'd say it might be rather hard finding one prepared to make that journey. The suggestion of full face masks is a very good one, and coupled with some mild sedation, might be sufficient. I was rather astounded that some person, presumably in a position of some authority, was asking for donations of small face masks for the kids! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 hours ago, Media1 said: I think you have no idea. I served in the army. Did you ? Do you know anything about mental preparation for a evacuation with untrained victims ? Your insults mean nothing to me a TV comment all standard here. LOL. "Serving in the army" is hardly a qualification for mentally preparing small children to face an horrific dive. I can't see such being included in training of cooks or office clerks. BTW, yes, I served, and I didn't receive any such training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Do you remember what it was like being a small child? In that situation, I'd be terrified about diving through a flooded tunnel, regardless of what anyone said to me. Remember that seals are not qualified child psychologists and I'd say it might be rather hard finding one prepared to make that journey. The suggestion of full face masks is a very good one, and coupled with some mild sedation, might be sufficient. I was rather astounded that some person, presumably in a position of some authority, was asking for donations of small face masks for the kids! I asked my boy this morning who did initial scuba training at 7 with follow up diving, would you be scared having a long dive thru the flooded caves, not being able to see properly, no surface to come up to - - instant answer, YES. And he swims very well, fully confident in the water, and can free dive without any problems. So yes, a few problems I feel with these kids, although they are older and possibly a little more likely to cope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 hours ago, Kwasaki said: Wouldn't they have a close contact life-line attached a professional diver and be taken one by one, that would be a comfort way for me to get out. Of course, but that's not the problem. The actual problem is panic, and I can't see how that won't affect at least one of them. If they use standard SCUBA mouthpiece, the possibility is that they would lose it. If they use full face masks at least that problem should be avoided. Assuming that small enough full face masks exist. I never had any experience of them, but have used normal gear. Even at my age I think I'd be terrified diving through a tunnel, so can't imagine it as a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattd Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Even at my age I think I'd be terrified diving through a tunnel, so can't imagine it as a child. TBH I think that might possibly be an advantage, as children do tend to have less fear than adults, fear generally comes from knowing the consequences. As you rightly state, panic is the biggest fear and the hardest to overcome or predict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Of course, but that's not the problem. The actual problem is panic, and I can't see how that won't affect at least one of them. If they use standard SCUBA mouthpiece, the possibility is that they would lose it. If they use full face masks at least that problem should be avoided. Assuming that small enough full face masks exist. I never had any experience of them, but have used normal gear. Even at my age I think I'd be terrified diving through a tunnel, so can't imagine it as a child. My experience of diving is just a snorkel, I am again concerned for the underwater rescue. I said before if the water current flows out that may help as it was reported it was against going in. It would seem a way of making sure the mouth piece is kept in place and teaching them to keep it clear of water if it seeps in is the only way at the moment. I was thinking maybe darf but thought of putting them in a quick designed sealed container and sedate them and pull them out on a rope with divers back and front.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: The idea that only in Thailand are kids not taught to swim at school. Some people obviously have such hatred for Thailand that they seize on anything, no matter how irrelevant, to denigrate it. What a ridiculous answer, there is a bit of hatred I have for Thailand, nothing getting done about the road fatalities, and certain aspects of Thai immigration, but I have also said in many posts, that the good far outweighs the bad in this country. As for kids not being taught to swim, I only mentioned this because of the situation in the cave at Chaing Rai. Where did I give any idea that only in Thailand kids are not taught to swim at school? Really! I just did not realise there was a shortage of swimming pools in Isaan as one poster, Bannork I think, rightfully pointed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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