connda Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Thai culture is geared toward assigning immediate blame (imagine a finger attached to a hand attached to a wrist wearing an undeclared Richard Mille watch being wagged at the owner and captain of the boat). The culture is not good at learning from past mistakes and then taking the steps necessary to proactively seek solutions to keep similar events from happening again in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 37 minutes ago, robblok said: Still Steven, they made a huge mistake and 60 people died, this is negligence of course someone should be punished. It should be the responsibility of a captain to check the weather and he should be responsible for his decisions and owners too otherwise there will never be any change. Unless they can really prove it was not their fault. They should interview the survivors and see what they have to say. Why address me about this? I have said clearly a few times already and will say it again: the captain made a, or maybe a few, mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Shouldn't the captain go down with his ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 52 minutes ago, stevenl said: Why address me about this? I have said clearly a few times already and will say it again: the captain made a, or maybe a few, mistakes. Sorry, but you were complaining about it not being communicated good enough to the captains. I thought you wanted to absolve the captain of his duty. Good to see i was wrong, but do you agree that something like this should lead to a court case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huuwi Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, robblok said: Sorry, but you were complaining about it not being communicated good enough to the captains. I thought you wanted to absolve the captain of his duty. Good to see i was wrong, but do you agree that something like this should lead to a court case. that will be interesting if they do a court case. who is the real owner of this company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Things haven't changed much since a boat went down around Jan 1998 with around 50 onboard near Koh Tao. Most died. They just ignore bad weather, and wing it, in fact I've realised Thais wing it a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky mike Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Maybe chasing cheap boat trip, so overbooked, underprepared, lack of due care the circle continues ! They pay the ultimate price..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyman58 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 21 hours ago, Goldieinkathu said: "And they would not listen" I've been here over 20 years and every day I see people who will not listen or don't follow the law. There's no telling some folk ? I doubt punishing the owner or the captain will make people listen in the future ? Another avoidable tragedy. 2 I disagree The Captain and owner should be charged with Manslaughter. You got to start somewhere Ok if you don't do anything about this will you let the next one go and the next one. The owner has a hide really by offering compensation. He should be contributing to what caused the accident. Anyway, this time action will be taken because you can bet the Chinese gov has been onto the Thai government to do something. There might be 1.2 billion Chinese on this planet but they still hate their citizens being killed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyman58 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Vacuum said: Shouldn't the captain go down with his ship? That law doesn't apply to Thai captains. Their way of thinking every man for themselves and don't let on you are sinking so you can get to the life rafts first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldieinkathu Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Happyman58 said: I disagree The Captain and owner should be charged with Manslaughter. You got to start somewhere Ok if you don't do anything about this will you let the next one go and the next one. The owner has a hide really by offering compensation. He should be contributing to what caused the accident. Anyway, this time action will be taken because you can bet the Chinese gov has been onto the Thai government to do something. There might be 1.2 billion Chinese on this planet but they still hate their citizens being killed Absolutely , they should be punished. But if you think that doing so it will stop the next one and the next one that's where we have to disagree. There is no fixing this problem, people who "don't listen" can't be fixed either by the Chinese or the Thai government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Hopefully he finds the captain and owner have no deceased friends to carry the blame and they get charged with 56 counts of manslaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinnsamui Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 The skipper should have gone down with his boat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Happyman58 said: I disagree The Captain and owner should be charged with Manslaughter. You got to start somewhere Ok if you don't do anything about this will you let the next one go and the next one. The owner has a hide really by offering compensation. He should be contributing to what caused the accident. Anyway, this time action will be taken because you can bet the Chinese gov has been onto the Thai government to do something. There might be 1.2 billion Chinese on this planet but they still hate their citizens being killed Wife tells me that Thai news reporting boat owned and operated by a Chinese nominee Thai company. Nothing will happen other than the usual yak yak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorriedNoodle Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Its exactly 1 year ago today they finished scrapping the retrieved wreck of the Costa Concordia that went down in 2012 with the loss of 32 souls and the captain remains incarcerated to this day. The captain of the Phoenix has topped that death toll by a mile, lets hope he sees the courtroom along with the company owners. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyman58 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 6 hours ago, LivinginKata said: Wife tells me that Thai news reporting boat owned and operated by a Chinese nominee Thai company. Nothing will happen other than the usual yak yak yep end of story next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyman58 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 8 hours ago, Goldieinkathu said: Absolutely , they should be punished. But if you think that doing so it will stop the next one and the next one that's where we have to disagree. There is no fixing this problem, people who "don't listen" can't be fixed either by the Chinese or the Thai government. guess you are right look at thai drivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampang2 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 7 hours ago, LivinginKata said: Wife tells me that Thai news reporting boat owned and operated by a Chinese nominee Thai company. Nothing will happen other than the usual yak yak 99.999% predictable ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldieinkathu Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 7 hours ago, LivinginKata said: Wife tells me that Thai news reporting boat owned and operated by a Chinese nominee Thai company. Nothing will happen other than the usual yak yak Expect tighter immigration rules and more regulations and even more hoops to jump through. There are always unintended consequences. It will be ironic if we all have to pay a price for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 so... prawit's gonna put a watch on the captain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 2:46 PM, Soupdragon said: Yes but I also put the word "vow" in there which is their favourite to convince people they are serious when they intend to do SFA. My two favorite Thai words when spoken by officials here, as translated into English, are "face" and "threaten". Because the vast majority of the time, whatever punishment consequences bad people are said to "face" for their deeds rarely end up becoming reality. And whatever is "threatened" by government officials the vast majority of the time is just verbal hot air that's either never actually done or, if done, done only briefly before the usual routine resumes. As you put it, instead, the usual/normal result in such cases after all the threatening and facing is SFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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