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Another change for U.S. Citizens.

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20 minutes ago, missoura said:

I looked over the regs and did not see any requirement stating that the money must come from America <snip>

The income affidavit from the US Embassy Bangkok that you sign states:

 

I also affirm that I receive a monthly income of $_XXX_ from sources in the United States.

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1 minute ago, JLCrab said:

The income affidavit from the US Embassy Bangkok that you sign states:

 

I also affirm that I receive a monthly income of $_XXX_ from sources in the United States.

Good point. I only posted above what I was told by the lawyer.

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Did you get any feel for whether the same request was being made of everyone else/others?
 

It was just me. Even though he asked for more documentation he barely looked at it and stapled my affidavit to the front of it and we were done.


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How many past months of statements did they ask for and/or did you present?
 
That's exactly the kind of backup documents I've been carrying with me to Bangkok CW Immigration for many years in connections with my retirement extensions based on U.S. Consulate income affidavits. I've usually brought the prior three months, just in case. But at least thru last year, never once asked to show any of them.
 

He was not specific so I printed 3 months of statements, same as you carry.


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9 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

The income affidavit from the US Embassy Bangkok that you sign states:

 

I also affirm that I receive a monthly income of $_XXX_ from sources in the United States.

Yes, that is what the document says. However, what I am trying to say, is that step is not absolutely necessary. Other documents should suffice. But TIT...

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2 minutes ago, missoura said:

Yes, that is what the document says. However, what I am trying to say, is that step is not absolutely necessary. Other documents should suffice. But TIT...

Great -- so why not head to Immigration HQ on Suan Phlu and look for this:

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14 minutes ago, elektrified said:

The attorney specifically told me that it doesn't matter where or how the income comes from (partnerships, investments, foreign business interests, work done in foreign countries, investments, rental/real estate income), as long [if asked] that it can be proven, and that it does NOT come from work done inside Thailand and no customers inside Thailand.

This is how it seems to work, but the regs state nothing that I can see in reference to whether that money is made in Thailand or comes from outside the country. The rules simply say that a person just needs a certain amount of money in the bank.

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Given some of the posts on this thread I am shocked that more of my countrymen have not been deported by Thai Immigration... :coffee1:

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3 minutes ago, missoura said:

This is how it seems to work, but the regs state nothing that I can see in reference to whether that money is made in Thailand or comes from outside the country. The rules simply say that a person just needs a certain amount of money in the bank.

The regs only say 'evidence' of 65K per month -- nothing about an income affidavit from your country's Embassy.

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19 minutes ago, grin said:


It was just me. Even though he asked for more documentation he barely looked at it and stapled my affidavit to the front of it and we were done.
 

 

Ahh... so the IO kept the document copies you provided, instead of just examining them and handing them back.. Interesting!  Thanks!

 

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3 hours ago, NancyL said:

Recently, I heard the same story of request for back-up proof for a U.S. income letter for someone who was attempting a DIY visa conversion at CM Imm.  This may be just another technique they're using to make it difficult for newbies to try to do visa conversions themselves to encourage them to use agents.

Considering that Imm only deal with 20 retirement applicants per day (think that`s still the case?), which means it is impossible for all applicants to obtain their extensions using the direct One Stop Immigration progress, there are simply not enough slots, then yes, the overflow have no choice but to use an agent. They have created a system designed to work this way. Also, by continually moving the goal posts without prior announcements having to scratch around on TV and FB to seek information, makes the process complicated even for those that have stayed here for several years. Again, edging us all to the agents. There does not seem to be any uniformity in the process.

 

Then there are those that try to buck the system, those people that make it more difficult for everyone, which creates a backlash by immigration by giving us more hurdles to jump over and I guarantee it will be us that end up paying the price for these reckless people that make immigration work harder and having to apply more resources into the processes. These are the people that I lay squarely the blame. 

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

These are the people that I lay squarely the blame. 

Who?

 

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Does anyone know if this requirement for evidnce of income in addition to the affidavit from the US Consulate/Embassy is required in other provinces  besides Chiang Mai?

 

Sorry if this was covered above and I missed it.

 

Thanks for any information.

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10 minutes ago, amexpat said:

Who?

 

An example, I knew an English guy living here as a retiree, who did not have the 800000 baht or anywhere near the 65000 baht per month income. He would borrow 800000 baht from a corrupt agency 3 months prior to his application. After his passport was stamped for another year, he paid the 800000 baht back to the agency plus 20000 baht loan fee.

 

Also those who claim to have 65000 baht per month income could be only on a temporary basis. Sometimes they are using savings other then that being a regular secured income and bringing over from abroad and then sending it back again to appear as this is regular income.

 

If I know what`s going on, I am sure immigration also know what`s going on.

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Interesting reading.

 

Last conversation I had with officials at the US Embassy was that this affidavit arrangement was made between the US and Thailand.  Yes, the Thai immigration officer has his/her discretion to override and ask for proof, but it seems like our embassy and consulate would have notified all US citizens of this change.  Looks like it's time to drop them an email.

 

Until it becomes some Kingdom-wide edict, I'll view this as isolated to one instance or one immigration office.

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