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Another change for U.S. Citizens.

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3 hours ago, JLCrab said:

1. I have often (but not always) been asked by the US Consular official prior to my affidavit swearing whether I am aware that Thai IMM can and at their discretion ask for corroborating info.

 

2. Thai bank ATM slips showing the 220 baht int'l transfer fee should suffice to show source of funds. Bring a stack of them.

3 month deposit here is the most hassle free. IMO

Be advised, those atm slips ussually fade out within a month or two. 

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Understand your frustration in the change of requirements as no one likes changes and the lack of notice.   But guys that have the money can copy bank statements or other documents and should not be a big deal going forward. Would not cause me to move to Cambodia which will have its own set of issues. Good luck to you and as my thai female friend  always says to me when I get frustrated “let it go” 

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Thank you. 3 months worth of legible ATM slips has never been a problem.

As for CM IMM, what you bring as proof of income is what you have and hope the IMM person is satisfied. Maybe CM has gotten to the point where they believe just too many Americans with an income affidavit have NO proof as to what income was sworn to on the affidavit.

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14 minutes ago, Wake Up said:

Understand your frustration in the change of requirements as no one likes changes and the lack of notice.   But guys that have the money can copy bank statements or other documents and should not be a big deal going forward. Would not cause me to move to Cambodia which will have its own set of issues. Good luck to you and as my thai female friend  always says to me when I get frustrated “let it go” 

And how do you know that bank statements are sufficient? which bank? Thai bank? US bank?  Any offshore bank?  How many months of statements?  Any certifications of bank statements?  What other documents? Tax returns? Income provider letters or statements?  How long do any documents maintain validity before being provided to CM IMM?

It is a big deal for many who need that extension of stay and whose approval may depend on documents that must be asked for or prepared well before applying or otherwise it may be too late. 

The requirement is not expressed as “just have a sufficient monthly income”. It’s 65K baht of income per month. The requirements to prove it should be just as clear. 

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I wonder how this will affect these "agents" that get the 1 year visa for you.      Seems their price (fee)  would go up?       

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So at least until CM or any other IMM office puts out some document (if ever) as to what they deem to be adequate support of an income sworn on a US Embassy income affidavit, those in CM may have to go in the next time with the best documents they have, see what the IMM says, and be prepared maybe to go back a second time with different and/or additional documentation.

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I downloaded the Income Verification form from Imm Website, then modified it to show both my VA Disability income and my SS income.  That way it has both figures on it. Then get the Consulate to "verify" it.  

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I didn't read all the pages, so someone might of already said this,  but if you have the money it might be easier to just do the 800,000 seasoned for 3 months.

 

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4 minutes ago, rwill said:

I didn't read all the pages, so someone might of already said this,  but if you have the money it might be easier to just do the 800,000 seasoned for 3 months.

 

 

The one downside to that is that longer term CDs and even some deposit accounts are now paying 3+% interest and rising, federally insured, in the U.S. right now,  whereas Thai accounts at sometimes unreliable banks are paying 1.5% plus.  So it means potentially taking a 50% or so loss of earning potential on those funds. I'd prefer to keep my funds earning a decent return, if I have any choice in the matter.

 

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18 minutes ago, Just1Voice said:

I downloaded the Income Verification form from Imm Website, then modified it to show both my VA Disability income and my SS income.  That way it has both figures on it. Then get the Consulate to "verify" it.  

The US Embassy in Bangkok told me years back that they will not notarize any changes made to the template Income Verification affidavit.

 

Now if you downloaded the blank affidavit form and stated your SS and VA incomes and the embassy was willing to notarize your claim to have such incomes and with the caveat statement from the Embassy  that they in no way 'verify 'such claims, maybe they would do that. But that in no way guarantees that any Thai IMM office will accept as income verification anything other than the template US Embassy Income verification letter.

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9 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

The US Embassy in Bangkok told me years back that they will not notarize any changes made to the template Income Verification affidavit.

 

Now if you downloaded the blank affidavit form and stated your SS and VA incomes and the embassy was willing to notarize your claim to have such incomes and with the caveat statement from the Embassy  that they in no way 'verify 'such claims, maybe they would do that. But that in no way guarantees that any Thai IMM office will accept as income verification anything other than the template US Embassy Income verification letter.

They've been accepting my slightly altered form for years.  Never said a word about it, and in fact, barely even glanced at it.
But, on the other hand, after 10 years they pretty well know me and both my 90 and 1 year takes only minutes. 

 

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Makes no difference: The blank affidavit form says: 

 

4. The U.S. Embassy does not guarantee the contents of my own sworn statement. Under penalty of perjury, I assume full and complete responsibility for the veracity of the claims herein.

 

And the income affidavit form says:

 

The U.S. Embassy does not guarantee the contents of my own sworn statement. Under penalty of perjury, I assume full and complete responsibility for the veracity of the claims herein. 

 

So in either case they have not 'verified' anything in fact they specifically state that they HAVE NOT verified anything.

 

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Looks like I am again fortunate, as my annual extension was just renewed with the US Consulate affidavit. Hmm, silver lining. If the Thai Immigration refuses the affidavit ... well, that saves me $50.00 annually. For myself, the monthly minimum should not cause an issue. If Thailand does not wish me to live here and spend my retirement funds here, help support my Thai Love and StepDaughter, well that is up to Thailand. I am a free person and can live anywhere I am welcomed and can afford (ha! ironically, not my home country).

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My American friends used to laugh at the evidence and documentation i had to provide to my embassy to get an income letter .They only had to swear the income they had declared was correct and no factual evidence was required for them to be issued with an income declaration . Obviously this was taken advantage of and now the loophole is closed .No problem for those able to prove the figure declared as income is correct

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your US bank sends your annual income statements as well as YTD total assets. A combination of these 2 statements should satisfy CMI given your numbers meet the 65K monthly requirement.

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