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Another change for U.S. Citizens.

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That's fine except many retirees in Thailand no longer have a US bank and deposits of SocSec or other deposits go directly to the Bangkok Bank NY ACH facility.

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Being honest, if you can't have parked 800, 000THB for an extension based upon your retirement, or 400,000THB for extension based upon marriage you really have failed.

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Well love to here more about this. Not applying in Chiang Mai, but close by -  While I have bank accounts and Mutual Fund Accounts, and a nice chunk in a Thai bank account. I have no record of payments going into my Thai account monthly  because I am JUST applying for my 1st 90 day non O, to get it ext for Retirement . Is it a good idea to just slam over and top off my thai account at 800 K and go from there? Or put deposit 65 K baht to my current account get a print out, I'll be up at 300K there. Print Money Market, and Mutual Fund account pages and take with.

Question - I don't like giving them my account numbers. Can I ink out the last 3 digits?

Note not Chiang Mai but close by and this Immigration is NOT friendly.

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If you get Social Security- they will provide a letter indcating your montly benefit amount. If you use their website- it can be printed immediately.

 

If you  get a VA pension or a military retirement- they als provide a letter verify benefit amount.

 

Since everyone gets all their income normally by some electronic means- a bank direct depeosit- your bank can and will provide documentation of monthly deposits or provide a monthly statement. In addition if you have online banking- all of your bank information is available on line including the amount   dispersed and if using an ATM card- even where you used the ATM and the amount.

 

When I got o CW with my Embassy letter- I always bring the backup proof showing  6 months of bank print outs- they never ask for them and I never offer them. However, the backup proof always matches the Embassy Letter.

 

If you are getting income from renting your house; stocks; Bonds etc- there is always some documentation you can show. If CM is doing this-they are mostly alone, just like some offices requesting the Ministry of Foreign affairs to verify signatures and another asking for medicals etc.

 

I would also add that the US Embassy affidavit is a sworn document that carries a felony indictment should the applicant lie and there have been cases of people actually going to jail for falsifying a document.

 

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9 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

Being honest, if you can't have parked 800, 000THB for an extension based upon your retirement, or 400,000THB for extension based upon marriage you really have failed.

800K THB in a Thai Bank puts you in FBAR territory which some choose to avoid.

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1 minute ago, JLCrab said:

 800K THB in a Thai Bank puts you in FBAR territory which some choose to avoid.

Absolutely agree- I keep several US BankAccounts and no Thai Accounts.  FBAR and all the other required reporting  that America has foisted on the rest of the World is ridiculous and most countries resent.

 

In addition to the proof I already mentioned most Americans file a US tax return showing all their income  which would match any Embassy Affidavit.  I

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Just another case of Thai immigration making up their own rules. Maybe they have a new boss.

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6 hours ago, Shoeless Joe said:

Many ex-pat retirees (apart from Americans) have to provide evidence of their incomes every year in order to renew their retirement visa. It seems that Thai immigration have finally worked out that there are Americans rolling up to their Embassy, raising their right hand and swearing that they have sufficient funds when in fact, they don't. Now that loophole has been closed and it seems they have to provide "hard" evidence. Yes, it's a bit of a nuisance but really, not that onerous. Welcome to the ex-pat world of everyone else...

 

Regards,

 

Joe

What about the poor guy who has bought his house for his Thai wife and kids? He could find himself being forced to leave the country, depending on his circumstances.

There are many decent people who have came to live in Thailand in the past, settled down with a wife/ GF,  maybe even a family, caring for them financially, then visa changes force them to give everything up and leave.

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You guys who are thinking you are going to save $50 on the affidavit notary fee will be very disappointed when you are still expected to show up with the affidavit.

Try to show up without the affidavit and see what happens.

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4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

CM Immigration has some history of operating on their own rules and procedures that are not necessarily indicative of what's done in BKK or elsewhere.  I wouldn't automatically assume that something that may be occurring in CM is also going to be done everywhere else.

 

This is Thailand.

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10 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

What about the poor guy who has bought his house for his Thai wife and kids? He could find himself being forced to leave the country, depending on his circumstances.

There are many decent people who have came to live in Thailand in the past, settled down with a wife/ GF,  maybe even a family, caring for them financially, then visa changes force them to give everything up and leave.

The only people this would affect are those who have been making false statements to US Government officials which carries the possibility of a fine and 5 years in prison


18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry; ...

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7 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

The only people this would affect are those who have been making false statements to US Government officials which carries the possibility of a fine and 5 years in prison


18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry; ...

i know what you are saying. but that is not what I am referring to. Rightly or wrongly, stupid or not, the very first guy I met when I came to Thailand, bought a house for himself and girlfriend, and was living on tourist visas. He had never been married in his life.

Too cut a long story short, he moved to Laos because he was not allowed to live on tourist visas. lost his house and his girlfriend.

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Living on repeated Thai issued tourist visas does not involve criminal fraud against the US Government.

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Chiang Mai immigration have become a law on their own. I use the 80000 baht method to apply for my annual retirement extension.

 

Each year have to provide a bank balance letter from my Thai bank and relevant bank book. Was told the bank letter can be dated up to 7 days prior to my application date, same regarding my bank book. To be on the safe side (or so I thought) I usually obtain the bank letter and bank book 2 days prior to my application date.

 

This year that all changed. Was told my bank letter and bank book have to be dated on actual day of application. Luckily I always apply for my retirement extension i month before it expires just in-case of any problems. So I had to obtain another bank letter and have my bank book updated on the day.

 

I have spoken to friends since, who told me that they went for their retirement extensions with bank letters and bank books dated a few days before, and had no problems. Next year I will visit Chiang Mai immigration or an agency that I use 5 weeks prior to my application date, and ask; what do I need to provide this time? And that`s what I advise everyone to do that may save last minute panics and stress.

 

Soon, Chiang Mai immigration will be moving to the new revamped near airport location. Who knows what waits in-store for us there?

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What could CM immigration's point be in, apparently, asking for hard evidence? 

How does it benefit anyone in immigration or other officials? 

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