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18 hours ago, fathersicksendmoney said:

This is where it all falls down. Mixing with thais! I live in lower sukhumvit and mix with westerners who dont confuse you with their Buddhist mentality bull shit. Sure there are some bad apples among them but no different to any other western country , just choose your friends wisely

Better still, stay in your home and don't mix with anyone.

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I filtered through many of the pages of posts. I enjoy reading peoples take on things in life and what some people get all spun up about that it eats them up and yet in most cases its all noise but they make rash decisions to move versus finding other things to do.. I still to this day do not understand why anyone would go on and on about about Thai politics and how it affects them or the perceived bad driving that people just harp on and on about. And because of those few things they will pack up and leave figuring its better back home.  

 

I find that most of the expats that leave are just bored. I can completely understand that because a great majority of the expats are older, quite a few are ailing and are gripped by medical fears and costs and they seldom do much outside the house and not having their western creature comforts they grew up knowing, it wears them down. Couple that with living out in some remote area it just didn't work. 

 

I have been coming here and living since 2005 mostly on business. I genuinely like it here. Now maybe because I could return to the US gives me a different perspective on it but I am extremely active with hobbies here and love the freedom and I personally live better. My colleagues envy me as they are stuck in jobs and cannot get off the US hamster wheel because of financial obligations.  I also spend very little time on the internet and usually do things outside. I live in a very nice area up North with good folks. I do not care about Thai politics just like I do not pay any attention to US politics or World politics in general. In fact I never ever read the news here or there and the only way I hear about stuff is when a colleague friend of mine messages me and says "Did ya hear about this or that" or my wife says "Did you see read that story in the US", then I might go look. Usually I say. I will look later and forget.

 

Answering the OP, I do not want to leave. My wife and I have a nice house and I have everything I need and want at this juncture in my life. My living expenses are extremely low even with my hobbies. I could return to the US but that would mean an entire upheaval and then I would definitely have to return to the workforce and honestly I am not convinced moving back really fixes any issues people rant about living here. Deciding to stay here afforded me the opportunity to retire very early so returning and having to jump back into the workforce to afford debt does not sound appealing to me at all.

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3 hours ago, AYJAYDEE said:

what is paying 6% interest or dividends these days?

 

I have two promissory notes, very well collaterized (less than 50% LTV). One pays 6% due in 6 years, the other pays 7% due in 7 years. 

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3 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

I have two promissory notes, very well collaterized (less than 50% LTV). One pays 6% due in 6 years, the other pays 7% due in 7 years. 

I have things paying that too but no municipal bonds

 

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Detroit, Cleveland, surely a few cities in California.....6% is gonna be junk, even at current higher rates..much better fish to fry.  Wells Fargo preferreds..over 7%..

 

TGPPRA...over 8%..LNG shipper.

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11 minutes ago, moontang said:

Detroit, Cleveland, surely a few cities in California.....6% is gonna be junk, even at current higher rates..much better fish to fry.  Wells Fargo preferreds..over 7%..

I wouldnt be buying preferreds right now

 

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Aging/medical matters are a reason to leave I guess,but 2 hours away the finest and possibly cheapest medical care in the world,myself used it a'plenty.

  Heart,cancer checks coming up..missed them last year for reasons   heart , calcium, blood,stress,echo etc   cancer up the ass down the throat ,skin,mri frozen shoulder..all for less than 2000 baht,here in Thailand 70 to 80,000 baht at least, 5000 baht return.....did prostate surgery there last year   best part 6 days in hospital,around 700 gbp.   helps that not held hostage by these medical scumbags  govt.  not inc

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All of this discussion I think has been useful and I've followed it for the past day since I appear to have kicked off a lot of it with my long and hopefully not uninteresting post yesterday morning about my experiences in Thailand since I moved here nearly seven years ago.
What it all comes down to is that some falangs appear to be very happy living in Thailand while others, like me, have a hard time here but just IN SOME WAYS.
Most of my problem is with the attitudes that most Thais appear to have to life and money and basic honesty. Their religion, like most other religions, teaches them good ways to live a life and five basic things that they should not do:

  • harming living things.
  • taking what is not given.
  • sexual misconduct.
  • lying or gossip.
  • taking intoxicating substances eg drugs or drink.

I may be wrong but I suspect that something around 80 to 90 per cent of Thais would, if asked, claim to be good Buddhists. If I am right, this to me illustrates huge hypocrisy as I believe that probably 80 per cent of Thais routinely lie and gossip, 50 per cent take intoxicating substances such as alcohol, tobacco and illicit drugs, most Thai males at least could be said to lead sexually dissolute lives and a significant percentage of Thais appear to have no trouble with taking money improperly through scams and dishonest business dealings. The only one of the five basic tenets that, to me, appears to be observed by a large proportion of Thais appears to be that dealing with not harming living things. But, even there, there are problems.
A few years ago, a falang friend near where I live had a dog that developed a nasty and obviously cancerous tumour on its side. It had been confirmed to be malignant. The tumour grew to such an extent that it ruptured one morning so I loaded the dog and my falang friend into my car and drove to a Veterinary Teaching Hospital near where we live. They recommended treatment despite the fact that the dog was clearly suffering and was about to die. Not even the staff at a Veterinary Hospital were prepared to do what was necessary and put the poor dog out of its terrible distress. And no, this was not a case for treatment; it was a case for euthenasia. So, that's where the one tenet of the Buddhist religion which appears to be followed by most Thais can also cause a bad result.
And, please, I am well aware that quite possibly the majority of professed Christians don't follow the good things that whatever their brand of Christianity demands or recommends. There is hypocrisy everywhere.

But, my friends, here's the difference. In Western countries, dishonest people who go into business are not allowed to deal with their clients dishonestly or, if they do, they will find themselves in trouble with Police and Government regulatory agencies that do actually give a shit about shady businesses and prosecute them when they're found. There is little if any protection at all for people in Thailand who find that they've been ripped off by Thais as happens so very often here in my view. The Police are corrupt and useless and no Government agency wants to get involved in such things particularly when there's money to be made through back-handers.

I MUST STRESS that these are simply my observations of Thais and Thai society after having lived in Thailand for close to seven years. If others have had different experiences and do not agree with anything I've said, then that's great and fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion so please don't seek to deny me mine.
I confess that I am a loner by nature; I always have been, even as a small boy. I cope with the problems that I have living in Thailand by keeping very much to myself. I see my one local falang friend for a few hours every week or ten days but otherwise I spend the great majority of my time at home alone.

I have plenty to keep me amused with a very large collection of DVDs and Blu-rays (I don't have TV service because I don't want any possibility of getting Thai TV shit in my house), and I have books and musical instruments that I fiddle about with.

This may sound like a pretty sad sort of life to many others but it works for me so that's all that really matters. It's fine for me and for my Thai wife whom I love to bits and who I'm quite sure loves me too (and not just the money that I have).
Am I (un)happy in Thailand. No, not really.  It's just that there are so many ways in which Thailand could be much better if it really wanted to be.

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23 minutes ago, Weasel100 said:

All of this discussion I think has been useful and I've followed it for the past day since I appear to have kicked off a lot of it with my long and hopefully not uninteresting post yesterday morning about my experiences in Thailand since I moved here nearly seven years ago.
What it all comes down to is that some falangs appear to be very happy living in Thailand while others, like me, have a hard time here but just IN SOME WAYS.
Most of my problem is with the attitudes that most Thais appear to have to life and money and basic honesty. Their religion, like most other religions, teaches them good ways to live a life and five basic things that they should not do:

  • harming living things.
  • taking what is not given.
  • sexual misconduct.
  • lying or gossip.
  • taking intoxicating substances eg drugs or drink.

I may be wrong but I suspect that something around 80 to 90 per cent of Thais would, if asked, claim to be good Buddhists. If I am right, this to me illustrates huge hypocrisy as I believe that probably 80 per cent of Thais routinely lie and gossip, 50 per cent take intoxicating substances such as alcohol, tobacco and illicit drugs, most Thai males at least could be said to lead sexually dissolute lives and a significant percentage of Thais appear to have no trouble with taking money improperly through scams and dishonest business dealings. The only one of the five basic tenets that, to me, appears to be observed by a large proportion of Thais appears to be that dealing with not harming living things. But, even there, there are problems.
A few years ago, a falang friend near where I live had a dog that developed a nasty and obviously cancerous tumour on its side. It had been confirmed to be malignant. The tumour grew to such an extent that it ruptured one morning so I loaded the dog and my falang friend into my car and drove to a Veterinary Teaching Hospital near where we live. They recommended treatment despite the fact that the dog was clearly suffering and was about to die. Not even the staff at a Veterinary Hospital were prepared to do what was necessary and put the poor dog out of its terrible distress. And no, this was not a case for treatment; it was a case for euthenasia. So, that's where the one tenet of the Buddhist religion which appears to be followed by most Thais can also cause a bad result.
And, please, I am well aware that quite possibly the majority of professed Christians don't follow the good things that whatever their brand of Christianity demands or recommends. There is hypocrisy everywhere.

But, my friends, here's the difference. In Western countries, dishonest people who go into business are not allowed to deal with their clients dishonestly or, if they do, they will find themselves in trouble with Police and Government regulatory agencies that do actually give a shit about shady businesses and prosecute them when they're found. There is little if any protection at all for people in Thailand who find that they've been ripped off by Thais as happens so very often here in my view. The Police are corrupt and useless and no Government agency wants to get involved in such things particularly when there's money to be made through back-handers.

I MUST STRESS that these are simply my observations of Thais and Thai society after having lived in Thailand for close to seven years. If others have had different experiences and do not agree with anything I've said, then that's great and fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion so please don't seek to deny me mine.
I confess that I am a loner by nature; I always have been, even as a small boy. I cope with the problems that I have living in Thailand by keeping very much to myself. I see my one local falang friend for a few hours every week or ten days but otherwise I spend the great majority of my time at home alone.

I have plenty to keep me amused with a very large collection of DVDs and Blu-rays (I don't have TV service because I don't want any possibility of getting Thai TV shit in my house), and I have books and musical instruments that I fiddle about with.

This may sound like a pretty sad sort of life to many others but it works for me so that's all that really matters. It's fine for me and for my Thai wife whom I love to bits and who I'm quite sure loves me too (and not just the money that I have).
Am I (un)happy in Thailand. No, not really.  It's just that there are so many ways in which Thailand could be much better if it really wanted to be.

Lol! you just couldn't leave without one last massive anti-thai rant could ya! good riddance to ya pal! your poor wife. having to keep quiet , smiling and agreeing with everything you moan about while knowing how you despise her country and culture

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9 hours ago, The manic said:
14 hours ago, altcarrbob said:

just a pair of women's tits and arse on show keeps the pecker up...I'm <deleted> well sick of it,just want out even for a short spell

Wherever you go you take your emotional baggage with you. You create your own reality.

Maybe you get to take your emotional baggage with you but, if you are not married and she is 30 years younger than you, you probaby don't get to take her pair of t*ts and arse with you.

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20 hours ago, fathersicksendmoney said:

"Since I moved to Thailand, I have frequently been deceived and misled. Thais have told me bare-faced lies on many occasions and I have been ripped off more times than I care to remember. This lying, deception and misleading is always related to money and it is therefore my conclusion that the very, very great majority of Thais are interested in only three things in life - money, money and money and that they really don't care how they get it, especially from all of us rich falangs. And we are in their eyes all rich and ripe for f*cking over."

 

This is where it all falls down. Mixing with thais! I live in lower sukhumvit and mix with westerners who dont confuse you with their Buddhist mentality bull shit. Sure there are some bad apples among them but no different to any other western country , just choose your friends wisely

I suppose that is part of the issue for some of us. It seems like a shame to not be able to mix with the local people. I do have a few Thai women friends, mostly through my wife. The men seem beyond indifferent. Hard to get to know them. In the PI, I know I would have some good local friends. Too bad the entire country is one big Tijuana. I do have a friend who met some upper class Thais at university in the US. They remain close to this day, and he says they are quite fascinating, not at all typical, and open minded, cool guys. In all the years I have been here, I can say I have a few Thai friends, but not really the kind of guys you hang out with. 

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The more you get to know about Thai society .the less you want to know,lying cheating ,scamming,part of life.  Surrounding yourself with dash cams no help,they will come up with a tale the dash cams were lying

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35 minutes ago, altcarrbob said:

The more you get to know about Thai society .the less you want to know,lying cheating ,scamming,part of life.  Surrounding yourself with dash cams no help,they will come up with a tale the dash cams were lying

I do agree

When I first moved to Thailand, I bought a ten CD course regarding conversational Thai language. I wanted to learn to speak the language here reasonably well because I previously liked the Thais I had met when on holiday.
I listened to the first disc only soon after I arrived and I haven't touched them since. The reason is not laziness on my part; I'll leave that to the Thais. The reason is actually that I have little if any respect for Thai people, so-called Thai culture or the Thai authorities including the Police and the Customs Service (both corrupt to the core), Banks etc (although I dislike banks everywhere in truth).

My disenchantment with Thailand and Thai people in particular has been complete for many years and now I just live a pretty reclusive life here with all the material things that I could want or need and alcohol when I need or want it. This life largely suits me fine.

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7 hours ago, AYJAYDEE said:

what is paying 6% interest or dividends these days?

 

P2P banking and property

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38 minutes ago, Weasel100 said:

I do agree

When I first moved to Thailand, I bought a ten CD course regarding conversational Thai language. I wanted to learn to speak the language here reasonably well because I previously liked the Thais I had met when on holiday.
I listened to the first disc only soon after I arrived and I haven't touched them since. The reason is not laziness on my part; I'll leave that to the Thais. The reason is actually that I have little if any respect for Thai people, so-called Thai culture or the Thai authorities including the Police and the Customs Service (both corrupt to the core), Banks etc (although I dislike banks everywhere in truth).

My disenchantment with Thailand and Thai people in particular has been complete for many years and now I just live a pretty reclusive life here with all the material things that I could want or need and alcohol when I need or want it. This life largely suits me fine.

I bet you have a great Christmas day!

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