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AdamTheFarang

Are Thais Xenophobic or insecure or both or neither.

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Hi,

 

Having travelled (traveled for our American readers) to many different countries both in the northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere Thailand greatly limits job categories to so few categories open to foreigners more than any other country I have visited but yet is very easy to get a tourist visa for even now after it become more difficult, let's face it before it was extremely easy. Is it good or bad in the development of the country? How many doctors, lawyers etc do you see that are not Thai. Companies need to be at least 51% owned by Thais. Are Thais Xenophobic, or insecure, or both, or neither. Do they just want tourist's money and then see them leave and people over 50 for a retirement visa that have to show they have money. Two easy categories of all take money and give little back. Am I being fair, or am I wrong?

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Thais are individuals, and all have different feelings about the various categories of foreigners that spend greater or lesser time here. I think pure xenophobia is rare. Racism is relatively common. Among most Thais, well dressed westerners tend to be seen positively, though sexpats deeply distress them. Upper class Thais who have spent time in the West and experienced racism against them (Taksin was a classic example) have reacted by being somewhat anti westerner. More broadly, there is racism against blacks and those from the Indian subcontinent. A select few Thais may feel animosity to Japan (over the Japanese occupation) or France (over their occupation of Eastern Thailand and Thai provinces of what is now Cambodia), but this is not common. Not to be forgotten is that Thais are very class conscious. As a general rule, those considered poor or low class are looked down on. Foreigners who look like hobos are going to suffer discrimination that has nothing to do with their nationality.

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Neither, they want to take care of their own population first and foremost and only let outsiders stay here on their own terms. Something I applaud and wish my own country would take after.

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Definitely, neither. Yes, they want to take care of their own population first and foremost, especially with the existing unemployment. Every day, you can see how the Thais tolerate the millions of foreigners all over their country. Well, for sure, no country would encourage any foreigner without money to come and burden their treasury - this is VERY TRUE to the US, UK, EU, AUS, NZ too - Not only bank account details, but they even ask for fixed asset (e.g. house deeds, business registrations, etc)  proof for a tourist visa!!! Anyone EVER heard of this?

 

In the US, UK, EU, AUS, NZ, although there maybe no 'restricted categories' per se, at a job interview the locals are given a 'preference' in the selection and the salary too.

 

Most often, the general local public, in the 'developed' world is unaware of it, I guess, reading by the bashes leveled here against the Thais.

 

Edit

Most times it is very obvious that the most xenophobic, racist or/and insecure  nationalities that relish on Thai bashing.

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2 hours ago, AdamTheFarang said:

Do they just want tourist's money and then see them leave 

Yes of course they do, don't most country's expect the same? A Tourist to come on holiday spend some money then leave?

 

2 hours ago, AdamTheFarang said:

people over 50 for a retirement visa that have to show they have money. Two easy categories of all take money and give little back. Am I being fair, or am I wrong?

Give little back? Do you mean apart from letting you live here pretty much hassle free as long as you have the money to do so?

 

What is the actual point of your post? Are you complaining because you have to jump through a few small hoops to gain entry and stay in a country?

 

And you think that's  "Xenophobic, or insecure" ?

 

No, it's called common sense

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4 hours ago, AdamTheFarang said:

How many doctors, lawyers etc do you see that are not Thai. Companies need to be at least 51% owned by Thais. Are Thais Xenophobic, or insecure, or both, or neither. Do they just want tourist's money and then see them leave and people over 50 for a retirement visa that have to show they have money. Two easy categories of all take money and give little back. Am I being fair, or am I wrong?

How many foreign doctors or lawyers want to work in Thailand and have the necessary fluent Thai language skills to do so that makes you pick on those two professions? 

 

"Two easy categories of all take money and give little back".

What money is it that you suggest the Thai government "takes"?  What money do you expect the Thai government to "give back" to tourists and retirees?

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3 hours ago, ravip said:

Definitely, neither. Yes, they want to take care of their own population first

If they wanted to take care of their own population wouldn't allowing more Western influence be better for improving things for Thai society. One example.  foreign teachers. They aren't very welcoming as compared to their Korean, Japanese, and Chinese counterparts.

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They are all very proud to be Thai, and have been taught from an early age that Thai culture is superior. On a personal level I have always found them to be welcoming and friendly, they tolerate foreigners in their midst a lot better than many western countries. I don't know many European countries that would allow foreigners to retire, and really only do so if they have serious wealth. They protect jobs because they are still a developing nation, so I'll give them a pass on that one. 

 

If you go to live in Thailand you really just have to work the rules to your advantage, and avoid any of the pitfalls ... don't marry (gf only), don't buy property, don't bring assets into the country, keep your nose clean and have an exit plan if you get bored or the rules change to your disadvantage. A bit cynical, but will keep you safe.

 

 

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Everyone who is xenophobic is by definition insecure. Also, I believe that this thread is in the wrong forum. Moderators?

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6 hours ago, stud858 said:

If they wanted to take care of their own population wouldn't allowing more Western influence be better for improving things for Thai society. One example.  foreign teachers. They aren't very welcoming as compared to their Korean, Japanese, and Chinese counterparts.

No. It has been proven many a time that the West is detrimental to the developing countries. Example World Bank, IMF influence.

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I don't think that this topic belongs in the Visa Forum... moving it to General Topics.

 

And please do not let this subject degenerate into a Thai bashing thread or it will be closed.

 

/Moved.

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7 hours ago, AlexRich said:

They are all very proud to be Thai, and have been taught from an early age that Thai culture is superior. On a personal level I have always found them to be welcoming and friendly, they tolerate foreigners in their midst a lot better than many western countries. I don't know many European countries that would allow foreigners to retire, and really only do so if they have serious wealth. They protect jobs because they are still a developing nation, so I'll give them a pass on that one. 

 

If you go to live in Thailand you really just have to work the rules to your advantage, and avoid any of the pitfalls ... don't marry (gf only), don't buy property, don't bring assets into the country, keep your nose clean and have an exit plan if you get bored or the rules change to your disadvantage. A bit cynical, but will keep you safe.

 

 

Agree but why not marry? What do you see as the downside vs. visa benefits?

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