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AdamTheFarang

Are Thais Xenophobic or insecure or both or neither.

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If you've spent any time in the middle east, you'll have seen the same kind of "locals first" labor strategies where companies have to maintain X number of local nationals to obtain visas/wp for X number of foreign workers. 

 

As far as tourism and Immigration enforcement, there may be some cynical xenophobia in there, but it's also fair to recognize they are reacting, sometimes it feels like overreacting, to chancers and douche nozzles who exploit policies made with good intentions.   Tourists who aren't really tourists, biker gangs and wanna-bes, criminals, fake marriages and fake teachers, dodgy agents, working without work permits, etc.

 

So overall, I don't fault Thai Immigration.  Bottom line is, if you act like a fiddle, people WILL play you like one.  Once you allow the Tail to Wag the Dog, reclaiming the initiative is a tough road, requiring big balls, thick skin and an iron clad resolve to see it through.

 

I still think of Australia's eventual, unyielding policy shift on the boats, as being what "reclaiming the initiative" looks like.

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Xenophobia is very common here, mostly through jealously and envy. 

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20 minutes ago, BobbyL said:

Xenophobia is very common here, mostly through jealously and envy. 

You mean at TVF?

 

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5 hours ago, mngmn said:

Agree but why not marry? What do you see as the downside vs. visa benefits?

 

Divorce can be expensive, and in most countries your worldwide assets are at stake ... as many have found out to their cost. If you are 30 years old you can recover but most expats are in their late 50's and retired. So not as easy. Marrying into a different culture adds to the pressure, so it's not necessarily just a point about Thailand.

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Agree once again but have never heard of a Thai spouse going after offshore assets through Thai courts (although in most cases they have them all anyway by the time the divorce happens).

 

I guess the only way to force someone to pay up would be to confiscate their passport. Can that happen in a civil case?

 

Know of several cases where Thai spouse was cheated out of offshore inheritance by surviving family overseas.

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On 7/18/2018 at 12:13 AM, stud858 said:

 If they wanted to take care of their own population wouldn't allowing more Western influence be better for improving things for Thai society. One example.  foreign teachers. They aren't very welcoming as compared to their Korean, Japanese, and Chinese counterparts.They aren't very welcoming as compared to their Korean, Japanese, and Chinese counterparts.

"wouldn't allowing more Western influence be better for improving things for Thai society"

 

Why would they feel that having more Western influence (apart from technology) will improve things?  I get the impression Thais like themselves as they are.

 

"One example.  foreign teachers"

 

What about them? The joint is full of them.

 

"They aren't very welcoming as compared to their Korean, Japanese, and Chinese counterparts."

 

Not true at all. Those countries are the same or possibly even worse on the xenophobia score card.

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On 7/18/2018 at 12:37 AM, AlexRich said:

f you go to live in Thailand you really just have to work the rules to your advantage, and avoid any of the pitfalls ... don't marry (gf only), don't buy property, don't bring assets into the country, keep your nose clean and have an exit plan if you get bored or the rules change to your disadvantage. A bit cynical, but will keep you safe.

Follow this advice and no worries.   Many posts on the pitfalls....listen and learn and life can be pretty stress free here.   The "normal" thai, contrary what many say (who have obviously not avoided a pitfall)  has in my

many years of living here,  been quite accepting of me.  Live and let live seems to work better here than the western country I came from .

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11 minutes ago, Poottrong said:

"wouldn't allowing more Western influence be better for improving things for Thai society"

 

Why would they feel that having more Western influence (apart from technology) will improve things?  I get the impression Thais like themselves as they are.

 

"One example.  foreign teachers"

 

What about them? The joint is full of them.

 

"They aren't very welcoming as compared to their Korean, Japanese, and Chinese counterparts."

 

Not true at all. Those countries are the same or possibly even worse on the xenophobia score card.

Thailand is full of unqualified teachers. I've seen all sorts of issues.  There are the odd few of dedicated ones.  I know one that is doing a brilliant job. He feels like there's room for improvement.  

 

I must admit it's been years since I was in South Korea, and Taiwan teaching.  There I got all the perks, Thailand offers zero. Wether the locals wanted to kill me,  I don't know what they really thought,  but business was very easy in Korea.

 

The acceptance of people and personal relations is a seperate argument. People will generally treat aliens not as their own no matter which countries are involved .  Fact of life. 

 

Yes Technology and basic processes also like rubbish collection.  Don't need high tech for that.  Just due disciplined process and enforcement that western countries use. 

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, stud858 said:

Thailand is full of unqualified teachers. I've seen all sorts of issues.  There are the odd few of dedicated ones.  I know one that is doing a brilliant job. He feels like there's room for improvement.  

 

I must admit it's been years since I was in South Korea, and Taiwan teaching.  There I got all the perks, Thailand offers zero. Wether the locals wanted to kill me,  I don't know what they really thought,  but business was very easy in Korea.

 

The acceptance of people and personal relations is a seperate argument. People will generally treat aliens not as their own no matter which countries are involved .  Fact of life. 

 

Yes Technology and basic processes also like rubbish collection.  Don't need high tech for that.  Just due disciplined process and enforcement that western countries use. 

 

 

 

Thailand is still a developing country so it can't afford to have highly qualified English teachers throughout the entire education system. Korea and Taiwan are wealthier and so they can pay more and attract higher quality.

 

"I don't know what they really thought,  but business was very easy in Korea."

 

If you turn up to your Korean girlfriends place and tell the old man you would like to marry his daughter you will get an idea. Or try walking down the street with your arm around a Korean girl. God forbid if you happen to be black too. That said I find Koreans very nice people just...xenophobic and a bit racist. as is par for the course in Asia.

 

"The acceptance of people and personal relations is a separate argument. People will generally treat aliens not as their own no matter which countries are involved .  Fact of life. "

 

Yes but some countries more so than others. Asia and the Indian subcontinent are definitely way more xenophobic/racist than the West. In fact I'd say we currently have the opposite problem in the West.

 

"Yes Technology and basic processes also like rubbish collection.  Don't need high tech for that.  Just due disciplined process and enforcement that western countries use. "

 

Correct they don't need any  Western influence for that.

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41 minutes ago, Poottrong said:

Thailand is still a developing country so it can't afford to have highly qualified English teachers throughout the entire education system. Korea and Taiwan are wealthier and so they can pay more and attract higher quality.

 

"I don't know what they really thought,  but business was very easy in Korea."

 

If you turn up to your Korean girlfriends place and tell the old man you would like to marry his daughter you will get an idea. Or try walking down the street with your arm around a Korean girl. God forbid if you happen to be black too. That said I find Koreans very nice people just...xenophobic and a bit racist. as is par for the course in Asia.

 

"The acceptance of people and personal relations is a separate argument. People will generally treat aliens not as their own no matter which countries are involved .  Fact of life. "

 

Yes but some countries more so than others. Asia and the Indian subcontinent are definitely way more xenophobic/racist than the West. In fact I'd say we currently have the opposite problem in the West.

 

"Yes Technology and basic processes also like rubbish collection.  Don't need high tech for that.  Just due disciplined process and enforcement that western countries use. "

 

Correct they don't need any  Western influence for that.

agreed, except for one thing. 

Thailand has truck loads of wealth. They are not a developing country. 

They will stay the way they are not because of no money, but because of mindset. The amount of high rised buildings in Bangkok surely shows it has already gone through its development stage. 

As a comparison,  Cambodia is still a developing country,  but it's really in the eye of the beholder so hey let's just agree your right and I'm a little bit right too.

Have a rip snorter day everyone.

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19 hours ago, JTXR said:

Some Thai people are xenophobic, some are insecure, some are both, and some are neither.

 

Substitute pretty much any nationality you like for the word "Thai" in the sentence above, and it will also be true. 

 

 

your post makes way too much sense.    

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