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21 minutes ago, harrry said:

It does not matter where he was, it matters where someone saw the tweet.  Personally I would sue in the UK, where he has to prove his claim that Unsworth is one  (and where Musk lost against TopGear allready) or/and in Thailand where it could be a criminal prosecution....either public or private and hence our friend Musk would be in very big trouble if he ever came here.

Wrong.  Musk isn't going to sue anyone. He doesn't have to prove a thing.  Unsworth has to do all the proving.  

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24 minutes ago, steve73 said:

One thing to remember in all this is that if Musk had managed to persuade the rescuers to actually use his contraption, (assuming of course that it would actually work, which I very much doubt for a number of reasons that I won't detail here), then it would only have been capable of rescuing one child at a time - or one per day, since the Thai SEALs would still have had to replace all the air tanks over night.

So even by now there would have still been a few kids to be got out.

 

I don't know how much rain there's been since the last person left the cave, but the additional time required would have put many more rescuers at significant risk.

 

It may be that a rescue "sub" could have possible uses in future cave (or other) incidents, although at just 15 " diameter, this one would be unsuitable for most people.

One at a time better than none at all.  You have to remember at the time no one had a plan of just how to get them out. They were gonna stay in the cave for months remember? 

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32 minutes ago, OldSiamHand said:

He apparently has not refuted the remarks in public according to the article "Unsworth said he hadn't flatly denied Musk's accusation because he was waiting for legal advice."

 

You have the whole burden of proof idea backwards.  If he decides to bring a libel suit, the onus is on Mr. Unsworth to prove libel.  No "prosecutor" would be involved in a libel suit (unless he decides to bring a criminal libel suit).  It would be plaintiff's attorney vs. defendant's attorney.

Under Thai law a Criminal Libel suit may be launched without the prosecuter's involvement.

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14 minutes ago, dufusdonald said:

haha  Nice try. You like looking foolish? Want to take a poll to see where people think "stick it where it hurts"refers to? Want to put some money up? I doubt it.

I havent stated what I thought that he meant , I just stated that he didnt say "ass" and what he meant was open to interpretation or Vern needs to confirm what he meant  .

   IMO , it was purposely ambiguous 

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4 minutes ago, dufusdonald said:

Wrong.  Musk isn't going to sue anyone. He doesn't have to prove a thing.  Unsworth has to do all the proving.  

No, in the UK Unsworth just has to show the item was published.  Musk has to prove it was true.

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2 hours ago, DinoSabanovic said:

To me this stupid. How can someone say something negative about the company and workers that work there and get away with it? And when it is responded to that accusation, get all frustrated and threaten to take legal actions. Musk responded and that was normal human reaction. The thing "pedo" is a bit much but I do understand him. 

Pedo means Fart in Spanish.... Musk was texting in Spanish....

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31 minutes ago, harrry said:

No, in the UK Unsworth just has to show the item was published.  Musk has to prove it was true.

So then Unsworth if Musk sued him would have to prove the sub did not work or could not work?  Unsworth also said (reportedly) that Musk did it solely for publicity so you could make a case then that Musk knew the sub would not work and did it solely for publicity. wow talk about slandering a guy or ruining him financially. I would rather be Musk than this guy if Musk files a suit against him.  What does this guy have to lose financially because someone called him a Pedo? How many people know who this guy is anyway vs Musk?  

 

Musk made a statement he cannot prove. Unsworth made two statements he cannot prove. I'll take Musk in a lawsuit.

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13 minutes ago, dufusdonald said:

So then Unsworth if Musk sued him would have to prove the sub did not work or could not work?  Unsworth also said (reportedly) that Musk did it solely for publicity so you could make a case then that Musk knew the sub would not work and did it solely for publicity. wow talk about slandering a guy or ruining him financially. I would rather be Musk than this guy if Musk files a suit against him.  What does this guy have to lose financially because someone called him a Pedo? How many people know who this guy is anyway vs Musk?  

 

Musk made a statement he cannot prove. Unsworth made two statements he cannot prove. I'll take Musk in a lawsuit.

They would be two separate lawsuits....we are talking about Unsworth suing Musk and in the UK courts the matter of the submarine is not relevant in any way to the defamation.

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5 hours ago, kannot said:

Its  pretty clear to any sane person he isnt a paedophile his life wont be ruined it will be even more respected and even more so if  he  just lets it go

What about the insane ones? Is he in the clear from them?

Would you like to be called the one word that triggers hate and possible persecution from people who believes that if it's written on internet, it's true.

People don't understand the ramification of what they say or write as everyone in this world aren't sane.

Mr. Unsworth has my full respect and regardless of his motives, I for one salute him and his actions. 

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Vern Unsworth, was a major part of the rescue team, placing his life on the line, expecting nothing in return, and now he has to deal with this shit. Absolutely disgusting.

 

The Elon Musk comment reflects what a large minority of westerners that have never visited Thailand views about white, male, middle aged, Thailand expats, that we`re either weird, sexual perverts, dodgy or losers that have run away from our own countries for whatever reasons.

 

Although I`m sorry this has occurred, I hope this matter does go to court, because these type of allegations reflects on the reputations of all Thailand expats.

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8 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

Vern Unsworth, was a major part of the rescue team, placing his life on the line, expecting nothing in return, and now he has to deal with this shit. Absolutely disgusting.

 

The Elon Musk comment reflects what a large minority of westerners that have never visited Thailand views about white, male, middle aged, Thailand expats, that we`re either weird, sexual perverts, dodgy or losers that have run away from our own countries for whatever reasons.

 

Although I`m sorry this has occurred, I hope this matter does go to court, because these type of allegations reflects on the reputations of all Thailand expats.

 

8 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

Vern Unsworth, was a major part of the rescue team, placing his life on the line, expecting nothing in return, and now he has to deal with this shit. Absolutely disgusting.

 

The Elon Musk comment reflects what a large minority of westerners that have never visited Thailand views about white, male, middle aged, Thailand expats, that we`re either weird, sexual perverts, dodgy or losers that have run away from our own countries for whatever reasons.

 

Although I`m sorry this has occurred, I hope this matter does go to court, because these type of allegations reflects on the reputations of all Thailand expats.

How did  he place his life on the line?  He wasn't a diver. All credit to him for recommending his mates come to help and for his help but to say he placed his life on the line is not factual.  And not only that he absolutely posed for that photograph of his shoe with the tape.  Not looking for publicity?  C'mon, I'm a photog. Nothing wrong with it but kinda hypocritical of the guy to say Musk was only looking for publicity. Said it before. Musk didn't need to get involved. He doesn't need any more publicity. Stupid to suggest he did it for publicity.

 

In fact, in America you would have to have gotten a release from the guy to publish it since he knew he was being photographed.

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