Jonmarleesco 2,802 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 12 hours ago, webfact said: Asked why he thought Musk would make such a comment about him, he said: "I don't know." Probably because Musk was incensed that his 'expertise' should have been rejected. And because he isn't sufficiently mature to accept that and move on. Link to post Share on other sites
ttrd 1,240 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 9 hours ago, DinoSabanovic said: To me this stupid. How can someone say something negative about the company and workers that work there and get away with it? And when it is responded to that accusation, get all frustrated and threaten to take legal actions. Musk responded and that was normal human reaction. The thing "pedo" is a bit much but I do understand him. Yes, one thing took the other and was unfortunately blown up and out of proposition - my guess is that the balloon filled with emotional helium will soon run empty….. Link to post Share on other sites
GroveHillWanderer 2,160 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, JLCrab said: Yes -- that was a Spell check hiccup. Jurisdiction. All I meant to say was that in California, given Mr. Unwsorth's statements on worldwide media, libel might not apply unless Mr. Unsworth can establish 'malice' in the legal sense. However, as a few people have said, if Unsworth were to choose to sue Musk in England, the law is quite different. Under English defamation law, a person can sue for libel over any published statements which would cause a reasonable person to think worse of them. In England, a defamatory statement is presumed to be false, unless the defendant can prove its truth. A private individual (as distinct from a public official or public figure) must only prove the defendant did not exercise due care, to collect compensatory damages. It is only in order to collect punitive damages, that private individuals must prove actual malice. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2013/26/contents/enacted Also, a lot of people are making a false equivalence between Unsworth's and Musk's statements. Unsworth said something about the mini submarine which may or may not be true and is almost certainly allowable under the 'fair comment' section of English defamation law (i.e. the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held). He also made another statement that while it was both rude and something quite a few people would consider offensive, would be unlikely to fall afoul of the defamation law in either the US or England, as far as I can tell. On the other hand, Musk's statements implying that Unsworth is a paedophile and that he would bet money on this being true are personally defamatory and I think could very easily be used as a basis for a libel lawsuit in England. Edit: I am not suggesting that Unsworth should sue, just that he would be more easily able to do so under English Law which puts the burden of proof on the defendant. Link to post Share on other sites
Commercial Diver 31 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Don’t do it .. Link to post Share on other sites
Commercial Diver 31 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Let it go Link to post Share on other sites
JLCrab 9,146 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 31 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: <snip> Edit: I am not suggesting that Unsworth should sue, just that he would be more easily able to do so under English Law which puts the burden of proof on the defendant. Sure but collecting on a UK judgment might not be so easy. Link to post Share on other sites
ttrd 1,240 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, JLCrab said: Sure but collecting on a UK judgment might not be so easy. Should be pretty easy as they sell both Tesla cars and Tesla parts in the UK - from a Muddy Cave in Thailand on a motorbike to a free Tesla Model S Ridiculous P100D and a trunk full of New spareparts could be something in exchange especially if we add a lifetime of free charging... Link to post Share on other sites
JLCrab 9,146 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, ttrd said: Should be pretty easy as they sell both Tesla cars and Tesla parts in the UK - from a Muddy Cave in Thailand on a motorbike to a free Tesla Model S Ridiculous P100D and a trunk full of New spareparts could be something in exchange... A judgment -- if any -- would be against Mr. Musk personally and not against Tesla, or SpaceX or any other corporration controlled in part by Mr. Musk Link to post Share on other sites
ttrd 1,240 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, JLCrab said: A judgment -- if any -- would be against Mr. Musk personally and not against Tesla, or SpaceX or any other corporration controlled in part by Mr. Musk Clearly as the day - My input was meant as a fun break to an otherwise dark setting... Link to post Share on other sites
Britannia 146 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I rarely comment on Thai visa, and I believe in compassion and forgiveness, But here I feel like: Take him to the cleaners, his Ego got well out of control. This Guy served with a good heart for others, that is worth more than all Musk's Billions Link to post Share on other sites
ravip 4,864 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Elon Musk apologises for his Twitter comments on British caver https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/105589457/Elon-Musk-apologises-for-his-Twitter-comments-on-British-caver Link to post Share on other sites
nchuckle 2,022 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 10 hours ago, kannot said: Its pretty clear to any sane person he isnt a paedophile his life wont be ruined it will be even more respected and even more so if he just lets it go He will still be respected and certainly a lot richer too if he sues. Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart21 63 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Britannia said: This Guy served with a good heart for others That was the motive on both sides. The fog of war resulted in gross miscommunication. Link to post Share on other sites
JLCrab 9,146 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, nchuckle said: He will still be respected and certainly a lot richer too if he sues. That is if he wins -- whether he sues or not, I would guess that the Musk legal team is in full gear preparing in case that he does. Link to post Share on other sites
JLCrab 9,146 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 24 minutes ago, ttrd said: Clearly as the day - My input was meant as a fun break to an otherwise dark setting... Well OK but enough ridiculous stuff posted in here so I missed it. Link to post Share on other sites
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