roobaa01 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 machiavelli has the answer to that for u. as to the explosion im to post somehing from switzerland which will be substantiating my claim. wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Grouse Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 5:40 AM, Chomper Higgot said: Underlying this good news of Sweden’s high ranking for families are a number stark contrasts with the U.K. and US. In comparison to the U.K. (and anywhere outside of Scandanavia) Sweden has very low wealth differentials. The Swedes have prioritised health, education, welfare for all over extreme wealth for a tiny minority and poverty for the masses. What’s not to like?! I was travelling in Sweden last month and it is still a fabulous place. Hugely civilised. Almost a "negative" of the USA with first class care and benefits with low inequality and high taxes. The Recent migrants ARE a problem as they just don't fit in. The SD will ship many of them out I suspect. Sweden has twice the land area and 1/7 the population of the UK so there is plenty of space. IMO the Nordic countries have got it right. I think Denmark is slightly better than Sweden but Norway has more wealth and education in Finland is top. Vuggestuer are day institutions for kids aged 0-2. Bornehavn are for pre school kids. Manned by real professional pedagogues these are beautiful fun places. Scandinavia is structured around the home; milk is not delivered but beer is! No real pub culture. So for families, No1 without doubt. I recommend everyone takes a tour of this Wonderful Land! As for birth rates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 GDP/head at 4.5x global average helps! Full members of EU but not in the Euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arithai12 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Finest home for families? Surely they mean "most incentives to make children". As for happy families, I am not sure since Sweden has an amazing 47% divorce/marriage rate. Like many, I also think that Sweden is a nice country... to visit. To live there I am not sure, otherwise how to explain the equally amazing rate of emigrants especally with higher education. I have met lots of people who were dreaming to move for their career or their retirement to Florida, to Spain, to Australia, to Bahamas... strangely I can't remember any who dreamed of Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, arithai12 said: Finest home for families? Surely they mean "most incentives to make children". As for happy families, I am not sure since Sweden has an amazing 47% divorce/marriage rate. Like many, I also think that Sweden is a nice country... to visit. To live there I am not sure, otherwise how to explain the equally amazing rate of emigrants especally with higher education. I have met lots of people who were dreaming to move for their career or their retirement to Florida, to Spain, to Australia, to Bahamas... strangely I can't remember any who dreamed of Sweden. The winters are cold and dark. And of course the grass is greener etc. I know loads of older Swedes in Thailand but they all go home for significant periods during the Summer. I am seriously looking at Copenhagen for several months of the year. Sweden is a short commute and cheaper but Kobenhavn is Hygglig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 4 hours ago, arithai12 said: Finest home for families? Surely they mean "most incentives to make children". As for happy families, I am not sure since Sweden has an amazing 47% divorce/marriage rate. Like many, I also think that Sweden is a nice country... to visit. To live there I am not sure, otherwise how to explain the equally amazing rate of emigrants especally with higher education. I have met lots of people who were dreaming to move for their career or their retirement to Florida, to Spain, to Australia, to Bahamas... strangely I can't remember any who dreamed of Sweden. What do the regions you name have in common that might be a draw for Swedes? Oh yeah, climate. You going to blame the Swedish government for that? As for the divorce rate, it's disgraceful at 47 percent. Unlike Canada's which is 48%.. Or the USA's at 46%. The average divorce rate for the European Union is 44% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography Maybe one of the reason that the Scandinavian nations have a high rate of divorce is that there are lesser economic impediments than elsewhere. Children are less likely to suffer the economic consequences. Or maybe because women are less likely to be intimidated by threats of violence in general. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_domestic_violence#/media/File:Map3.1NEW_Womens_Physical_Security_2011_compressed.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 as for my community the jewish one they left sweden by the troves because of antisemitism import from abroad. my people were attacked wearing the kippa our traditional headcover , our synagoges in malmoe attacked.set on fire but not due to nazism the question remains whether social welfare goodies can eradicate imported ingrained antisemitism ??? social welfare is drained by the cultural block with the highest fertility rate as pointed out in this article. but we the jewish community think sweden is not the promised land, even lately an iranian born applicant for swedish parliament, suggested publicly swedish jews should leave the country for the usa in order to keep swedish society peaceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 as for the iranian born swedish candidate of parliament....she used the term all jews should be deported fromsweden , timesofisrael.com as for sharp rise antisemitism executed by cultural strange migrants, telegraph.co.uk there is a correlation between thirld world migration, social welfare, political ideology and wealth of a country as well as fertility i name israel, australia, new zealand who have balanced that sweden , germany, france not. wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 29 minutes ago, roobaa01 said: as for my community the jewish one they left sweden by the troves because of antisemitism import from abroad. my people were attacked wearing the kippa our traditional headcover , our synagoges in malmoe attacked.set on fire but not due to nazism the question remains whether social welfare goodies can eradicate imported ingrained antisemitism ??? social welfare is drained by the cultural block with the highest fertility rate as pointed out in this article. but we the jewish community think sweden is not the promised land, even lately an iranian born applicant for swedish parliament, suggested publicly swedish jews should leave the country for the usa in order to keep swedish society peaceful. 1 minute ago, roobaa01 said: as for the iranian born swedish candidate of parliament....she used the term all jews should be deported fromsweden , timesofisrael.com as for sharp rise antisemitism executed by cultural strange migrants, telegraph.co.uk there is a correlation between thirld world migration, social welfare, political ideology and wealth of a country as well as fertility i name israel, australia, new zealand who have balanced that sweden , germany, france not. wbr roobaa01 No doubt that anti-semitism from the immigrants is a big problem in Sweden and that the government should move extremely forcefully against it.,. There's also no doubt that you've completely retreated from your ridiculous contentions about the ill-health of the Swedish economy and the ills of its socialist system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer90210 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Of course Sweden is a paradise !!...just look at that lovely shape and that long glass body ........and the long upper bore that is just asking to be uncorked and sprout all over !!.....(I am refering of course to that green bottle of booze in the girls hand ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 @bristolboy i have never conveyed the swedish economy and welfare system ill gotten at present or in 5 years. my opion is based on a projection of 30 to 40 yrs alike the club of rome i use stat. math. taking into acc. fertillity rates, mortality rates, imported illitracy rate, brought in capital by migration, migration origins etc. but never mind discussion is to be controversial. wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 hours ago, roobaa01 said: @bristolboy i have never conveyed the swedish economy and welfare system ill gotten at present or in 5 years. my opion is based on a projection of 30 to 40 yrs alike the club of rome i use stat. math. taking into acc. fertillity rates, mortality rates, imported illitracy rate, brought in capital by migration, migration origins etc. but never mind discussion is to be controversial. wbr roobaa01 Here's a quote from you: "as it is written sweden being bankcrupt by 2030 if keeping its current social welfare spending" Let me set you a maths problem: 2030-2018=???. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 @bristolboy you quote ....it is written but i did nt write it is my opion, my belief, my assumption .......anyway u know the stark difference as a native speaker when someone refers to a third opinion not being his own as a oratory medium wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 4 hours ago, roobaa01 said: as for the iranian born swedish candidate of parliament....she used the term all jews should be deported fromsweden , timesofisrael.com as for sharp rise antisemitism executed by cultural strange migrants, telegraph.co.uk there is a correlation between thirld world migration, social welfare, political ideology and wealth of a country as well as fertility i name israel, australia, new zealand who have balanced that sweden , germany, france not. wbr roobaa01 Utter tosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 4 hours ago, roobaa01 said: they left sweden by the troves Is that a Freudian slip? The Swedes are particularly multicultural if you are prepared to fit in. Otherwise leave. I think Swedish antisemitism is off topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 8:19 AM, Hummin said: Have a look at the world, and see where the cime is, murder rape all in numbers Help yourselves! Cant beat stupidity http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate-per-million-people hopefully one day we stop believe in fake news, religions and other stupid manmade things, but it is still a long way before we get sharia laws in europe. We still have time to stop the empires <deleted> up big time. Your claim is not backed up by a reference to stats that are are 8-10 years out of date . Even more laughable is that you try to use violent crime rates as a reflection of family unit health. How about you look at suicide rates for young people (under the age of 19)? The Philippines which has a high violent crime rate and no extended parental leave and few social benefits has almost no youth suicides. It's the same for countries like Egypt, Honduras, Guatemala etc. Even Mexico does better than Sweden. How about using mental illness indicators? Again Sweden isn't the family paradise you claim. Many of the countries referenced in your stats have limited family leave provisions, yet still have lower violent crime rates than Sweden. Do you not understand that Sweden is still a very homogeneous nation. In plain language, it is still very much a white European nation, despite claims that it has been over run by foreigners. Although 20% of the population is non Swedish of origin, a majority of that 20% come from other European nations. Many of the countries with higher violent crime rates have large populations of certain ethnic groups where violence is endemic. For example, if Canada's violent crime rates for its aboriginal and Somali/Caribbean ethnic population were removed, it would have a rate significantly better than that of Sweden's. Take out the aboriginal violent crime rates from Australia, and it makes a big difference. To make this crystal clear; Jamaica is a poor island nation with few social benefits and where violent crime is a plague. Yet, youth suicide is almost non existent. Rather than generous social benefits being the determining factor, it's social values and culture which governs the state of the family unit health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 4 hours ago, roobaa01 said: as for the iranian born swedish candidate of parliament....she used the term all jews should be deported fromsweden , timesofisrael.com <snip> wbr roobaa01 Off topic, but should respond with facts, as opposed to your usual spin & misinformation. Sure silly activist comment, but withdrawn. "A candidate for the Swedish parliament suggested transferring Israeli Jews to the United States to achieve peace". https://www.timesofisrael.com/swedish-parliamentary-candidate-suggests-deporting-all-jews-from-israel/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, geriatrickid said: Your claim is not backed up by a reference to stats that are are 8-10 years out of date . Even more laughable is that you try to use violent crime rates as a reflection of family unit health. How about you look at suicide rates for young people (under the age of 19)? The Philippines which has a high violent crime rate and no extended parental leave and few social benefits has almost no youth suicides. It's the same for countries like Egypt, Honduras, Guatemala etc. Even Mexico does better than Sweden. How about using mental illness indicators? Again Sweden isn't the family paradise you claim. Many of the countries referenced in your stats have limited family leave provisions, yet still have lower violent crime rates than Sweden. Do you not understand that Sweden is still a very homogeneous nation. In plain language, it is still very much a white European nation, despite claims that it has been over run by foreigners. Although 20% of the population is non Swedish of origin, a majority of that 20% come from other European nations. Many of the countries with higher violent crime rates have large populations of certain ethnic groups where violence is endemic. For example, if Canada's violent crime rates for its aboriginal and Somali/Caribbean ethnic population were removed, it would have a rate significantly better than that of Sweden's. Take out the aboriginal violent crime rates from Australia, and it makes a big difference. To make this crystal clear; Jamaica is a poor island nation with few social benefits and where violent crime is a plague. Yet, youth suicide is almost non existent. Rather than generous social benefits being the determining factor, it's social values and culture which governs the state of the family unit health. I took your suggestion and found data from the OECD about youth suicide rates. Here are some countries that have a higher youth suicide rate than Sweden. United States, Canada, Ireland, Japan. Austria, Finland, New Zealand, Poland, Latvia. In fact Sweden occupies a place somewhat lower than the median for youth suicide. It's also useful to recall that Sweden sets a very high standard for reporting mortality rates and there's less of stigma attached to the act in Sweden than it would be in more religiously observant nations. https://www.oecd.org/els/family/CO_4_4_Teenage-Suicide.pdf And it does seem rather odd to invoke family values in Jamaica where the rate of violent youth crime is so high. More likely it's a statistical artifact reflecting the shame attached to suicide. I doubt that Jamaica with its limited resources can investigate youth mortality as thoroughly as a nation like Sweden. The same goes for the Philippines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, geriatrickid said: Your claim is not backed up by a reference to stats that are are 8-10 years out of date . Even more laughable is that you try to use violent crime rates as a reflection of family unit health. How about you look at suicide rates for young people (under the age of 19)? The Philippines which has a high violent crime rate and no extended parental leave and few social benefits has almost no youth suicides. It's the same for countries like Egypt, Honduras, Guatemala etc. Even Mexico does better than Sweden. How about using mental illness indicators? Again Sweden isn't the family paradise you claim. Many of the countries referenced in your stats have limited family leave provisions, yet still have lower violent crime rates than Sweden. Do you not understand that Sweden is still a very homogeneous nation. In plain language, it is still very much a white European nation, despite claims that it has been over run by foreigners. Although 20% of the population is non Swedish of origin, a majority of that 20% come from other European nations. Many of the countries with higher violent crime rates have large populations of certain ethnic groups where violence is endemic. For example, if Canada's violent crime rates for its aboriginal and Somali/Caribbean ethnic population were removed, it would have a rate significantly better than that of Sweden's. Take out the aboriginal violent crime rates from Australia, and it makes a big difference. To make this crystal clear; Jamaica is a poor island nation with few social benefits and where violent crime is a plague. Yet, youth suicide is almost non existent. Rather than generous social benefits being the determining factor, it's social values and culture which governs the state of the family unit health. And as for your assertion that" it's social and cultural values which governs the state of the family health unit." This is what used to be said about African Americans in comparison to whites. But when all the good jobs started to disappear in the white working class communities the same problems cropped up there as there were in the black communities. The opiod and amphetamine epidemics are proof of that. You can't separate economics from values and culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 8:41 PM, mok199 said: its simple ''IKEA''.... it takes an entire family to assemble those ''Knoll''book shelves.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 hours ago, mok199 said: it takes an entire family to assemble those ''Knoll''book shelves.. Are you a Brexiteer by chance? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Astonishing comments on here Lets just leave it that Scandinavian counties are very civilised and great places to raise a family You wouldn't like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Grouse said: Astonishing comments on here Lets just leave it that Scandinavian counties are very civilised and great places to raise a family You wouldn't like it... I met a Swedish guy in 1977, and he disliked Sweden as it was too controlling for him. He was an adventurer, not a sheeple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: I met a Swedish guy in 1977, and he disliked Sweden as it was too controlling for him. He was an adventurer, not a sheeple. Good for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: I met a Swedish guy in 1977, and he disliked Sweden as it was too controlling for him. He was an adventurer, not a sheeple. So where to live then ? Which country to be happy and find all your needs covered? If he doesnt fit in a scandinavian model, I know and I have met them here in Thailand, living the life to the fullest! Working their ass off and try to keep up with a healty and good living. Others have made a fortune already by being lucky to be born i scandinavia, and escaped the country who made them rich and gave them possibillities to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 14 hours ago, bristolboy said: And as for your assertion that" it's social and cultural values which governs the state of the family health unit." This is what used to be said about African Americans in comparison to whites. But when all the good jobs started to disappear in the white working class communities the same problems cropped up there as there were in the black communities. The opiod and amphetamine epidemics are proof of that. You can't separate economics from values and culture. The impact of social and cultural values still has validity in respect to the afro american family unit. When a father or other responsible male figure isn't around to participate in the raising of children it has an impact. This is why the family units have not broken down in Africa despite war and economic hardship. Affluence combined with irresponsibility sow the seeds of destruction. Affluence allows people top shirk self responsibility by dumping the responsibility on the state. One of the reasons why Thailand has muddled through so many crises was because the family unit remained relatively intact. As the Thai family unit disintegrates due to increased affluence, crime and social dysfunction increased in Thailand. Sweden has sought to use its affluence to provide benefits to its people. Nothing wrong with that and quite laudable. However, all that it is is an attempt to replace responsible family structure, by the introduction of a third party, i.e. the state. Sweden is a relatively small country and its small size renders it the equivalent to that of a city state, or a small province in a major country. It is easier to launch such grand notions in places where there isn't much of a population. Sweden also had the benefit of gaining much of its wealth through the typical European methods of exploitation of others or through plunder. Many countries do not have the money going back centuries gained from the exploitation of Africa (e.g. Ghana) or from the slave trade, or from the sale of weapons of war to some nasty people, or the laundering of Nazi fortunes etc. Therefore, when we get to some of the more humble nations, nations which do not have the wealth of others to finance these experiments in social engineering and which have very different social values, those characteristics must be taken into consideration. Sweden's great social structure is an expiriment in progress paid for by the blood money of those that the Swedes exploited and is hyped and promoted by those who wish to promote an egalitarian utopia. And as we know, income inequality in Sweden is similar to that seen in many other western countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 An article about suicide and sunlight. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/200904/sunshine-and-suicide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 8:58 AM, geriatrickid said: The impact of social and cultural values still has validity in respect to the afro american family unit. When a father or other responsible male figure isn't around to participate in the raising of children it has an impact. This is why the family units have not broken down in Africa despite war and economic hardship. Affluence combined with irresponsibility sow the seeds of destruction. Affluence allows people top shirk self responsibility by dumping the responsibility on the state. One of the reasons why Thailand has muddled through so many crises was because the family unit remained relatively intact. As the Thai family unit disintegrates due to increased affluence, crime and social dysfunction increased in Thailand. Sweden has sought to use its affluence to provide benefits to its people. Nothing wrong with that and quite laudable. However, all that it is is an attempt to replace responsible family structure, by the introduction of a third party, i.e. the state. Sweden is a relatively small country and its small size renders it the equivalent to that of a city state, or a small province in a major country. It is easier to launch such grand notions in places where there isn't much of a population. Sweden also had the benefit of gaining much of its wealth through the typical European methods of exploitation of others or through plunder. Many countries do not have the money going back centuries gained from the exploitation of Africa (e.g. Ghana) or from the slave trade, or from the sale of weapons of war to some nasty people, or the laundering of Nazi fortunes etc. Therefore, when we get to some of the more humble nations, nations which do not have the wealth of others to finance these experiments in social engineering and which have very different social values, those characteristics must be taken into consideration. Sweden's great social structure is an expiriment in progress paid for by the blood money of those that the Swedes exploited and is hyped and promoted by those who wish to promote an egalitarian utopia. And as we know, income inequality in Sweden is similar to that seen in many other western countries. Well your generalizations about father and such are accompanied as usual by the usual evidence: none. The nonsense about Sweden which had no colonies in the 19th or 20 centuries speaks for itself. In fact, Swden experience huge emigration in the 19th and 20th century because of povery. But in a way you're right. Income inequality in Sweden is similar to many other developed western countries. Countries like Denmark, Finland, Germany, The Netherlands. In fact, it ranks very well among the OECD nations for inequality. Unlike the United States and the UK which apart from the developing nations of Mexico and Chile, rank the worst of any of these nations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality And you still have zero answer for why the same problems that have plagued the black communities are now afflicting working class white communities. The answer is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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