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BANGKOK 20 May 2019 11:43
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Expat volunteers in Chiang Mai denied visas in work permit standoff

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7 hours ago, balo said:

Plenty of missionaries  in CM .  Most of them are Americans , they have a "call" and want to save the poor souls from the hill tribes like the Akha people. Many of them are disgusting people , sorry to say it. 

They are employed and have a quite nice salary, including free accomodation (usually a big house with gardener and maid included).

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14 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

Never heard about this till now (maybe cause I never looked for a back door in). There must be some legitimate volunteer work happening don't you think? Is this a case of a few bad apples.... Honestly looking for answers cause like I said I wasn't aware of this.

There are plenty of legitimate ones and most of the bogus ones and evangelicals are no more harmful to Thailand than the average ED or retirement visa holder.  But I didn't interpret the story to be saying that no volunteers were being issued work permits but that certain ones weren't.  Is that a wrong interpretation?

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14 hours ago, Briggsy said:

How many of these volunteers are evangelists?

Culture eradicators. 

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26 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I know people who work with trafficked children, children living with aids, orphans, and so on. Such terrible people, run them all out and just keep the mongers. 

One of the guys I knew used to go on frequent trips to Mai Sai for the youngest girls he could get. He would have been totally up for working with your 'trafficked children and orphans'. The other guy was quite a nice chap, just too young, and too poor to get any other long-term VISA to live in Thailand.

If it were my country, I wouldn't have let either of them in.

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I'm not sure if this is lazy, biased, duplicitous reporting or merely an envelope that was a little too light for grasping hands.

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11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

One of the guys I knew used to go on frequent trips to Mai Sai for the youngest girls he could get. He would have been totally up for working with your 'trafficked children and orphans'. The other guy was quite a nice chap, just too young, and too poor to get any other long-term VISA to live in Thailand.

If it were my country, I wouldn't have let either of them in.

There are laws against what the first guy was doing. And foreigners are not the main perpetrators of that either. You didn't say what the other guy was actually doing or how he manged to get a work permit to do it.

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Thaivisa understands the labor department in Chiang Mai has not been issuing work permits for foreign volunteers, with immigration then saying "sorry, we can't issue you visas as you don't have a work permit", said the source.

 

Above don't sound right to me, as you need a to have Non B Visa before you can apply for a Work Permit.?

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1 hour ago, davidkas said:

There is another type of person. 

After I have retired I would like to get a work permit to help as a non paid volunteer to benefit my local community. 

I don’t want anything just something to do that will give me a feeling of having given something. 

How would this affect me, I would already have a visa by marriage?

 

I realise perfectly well that this idea may not appeal - if you wish to get involved and help - join Rotary .

It does depend on the club and it is just a suggestion. Rotary has Royal patronage - there are never ever any problems with a WP .

 

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Tough one to administer.  If they're not gainfully employed then they're not taking jobs, so no work permit required.  On the other hand, if your volunteer efforts are cleaning the beaches or something and you do it of your own volition, then a charity is not appropriate either.

 

Maybe if they can prove that they don't have income from within Thailand where money is brought from outside of Thailand (only really works in a cashless society I guess), then I see no reason why they should be denied a visa.

 

As we've seen, foreigners from various parts of the world often have a different skill set and effective ways of solving problems.  That's notionally an asset to the country (okay that needs qualifying).

 

No easy way around it as I see it if they insist on this form of administration.  I had issues with a visa for different reasons (I didn't qualify for any of them), so I had to dump 500K for 5 years equivalent of visa 'freedom' to make the problem go away.  If they had a pop at me for picking up litter I'd be seriously miffed.

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I once offered my time to an international aid foundation in Laos. 

They wanted me to give them 1000 dollars as a sign on fee  plus  320 dollars a month rent living in a dump plus pay for your own food..............Unbelievable.  And i work without pay and no insurance coverage.

I told them to F#@K off !

Asians have become so arrogant towards westerners they think theyre doing us a favour letting us pay them so we can do charity work.

 

I will never bother to offer my help again. 

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