A crime or a right? Some Danish Muslims defy face veil ban

[holy cow cm]

30 minutes ago, fasteddie said:

Apart from maybe Saudi Arabia, name one country that would jail you for having a bible in your luggage.

More like kill you or kidnap and ask for money if they are radicals. Saudi allows the bible, but doesn't allow it out in public. On one front I applaud Saudi Arabia for keeping their country Islam. They should keep all of their Muslims there too! I think Thailand should kick out all of the non Buddhist organizations here. No Mosques, no churches. 

[My Thai Life]

4 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Bullfeathers.

Really Mike? If you are a north American who has never lived in a muslim country, then you can be forgiven for your ignorance.

 

Otherwise you can't.

[holy cow cm]

So Denmark outlaws full Muslim face masks. Their right to do so and great! Ban the practicing of their noise pollution of what ever it is they scream and do at those mosques trying to make everyone hear or claw their ears out. 

[dick dasterdly]

1 minute ago, mikebike said:

Bullfeathers.

 

Radical. Extremist. Fundamental.

 

These types of Islam (or any religion/sect) is the enemy of Liberalism.

 

Do these '70s Iranians look like scary, extremist Muslims?

Quite.

 

It is a small minority that are insisting on retaining their own 'cultural' ?  'norms'....  The vast majority aren't at all militant in their beliefs.

[My Thai Life]

Dick you really need to travel more. Lol, the 70s was half a century ago.

 

Your slap happy liberalism is wishful thinking.

 

I am a lifelong liberal. Islam is the enemy of liberalism.

 

 

[mikebike]

14 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Really Mike? If you are a north American who has never lived in a muslim country, then you can be forgiven for your ignorance.

 

Otherwise you can't.

Yes really.

 

Have.

 

Too bad 4 u.

[mikebike]

9 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Dick you really need to travel more.

 

Your slap happy liberalism is wishful thinking.

 

I am a lifelong liberal. Islam is the enemy of liberalism.

Yes. You r the only one on this forum who has travelled and lived in other countries.

 

???????????

 

U r a lifelong Liberal who has a problem with non-fundimental Islam for no stated reason other than ur Muslim buddy(s) told ya so and u have lived in the middle east, as many of us have...

[My Thai Life]

Don't be shy Mike. Tell us your experience. I don't think it will take long.

[mikebike]

8 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Don't be shy Mike. Tell us your experience. I don't think it will take long.

Wgy would it take long to say 3 yrs in Yemen post uni?

[My Thai Life]

When was that Mike? And what was the job you were doing?

[mikebike]

6 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

When was that Mike? And what was the job you were doing?

BROMANCE!!

 

R u really interested in me or are you just stringing me along? OR do you not believe me?

 

Geological surveying and reporting for govt '85-'88.

[Bluespunk]

4 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

No it doesn't but it just goes to show it's a one way street, where Islam is concerned...

No it doesn’t. 

[giddyup]

58 minutes ago, mikebike said:

5555555!

 

The, politely put, "colonization" was seen as "invasion" by the victims. Where, exactly, is the lack of relevance? In your view immigration/refugeeism = invasion... where is the dissonance?

Are you suggesting that muslim refugees are the same as an invasion in colonial days? If you do, I agree with you. However a lot of the muslim protesters in Denmark are homegrown. A bit like aboriginals demanding that white Australians go back to living in bark lean-to's and eating witchety grubs.

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, jvs said:

Maybe you should see it away from religion?I as a man am not allowed to wear a skimask when i enter a shop,gasstation or other public place.

Could it have something to do with security?

Freedom of religion is fine with me but if it interferes with safety issues they should oblige with the law of the land they choose to live in and take it off.

There are policies in place when it comes to security in most countries. 

 

This is not about security. 

 

It’s about a govt taking away a person’s right to choose whether to wear a veil and citizens of the country protesting that action. 

[My Thai Life]

Thanks for your reply Mike. The following practices are common throughout the muslim world. The first 3 are very common in the UK too, and also occur in other parts of Europe.

 

1. Cutting the clitorises off very young girls and babies.

 

2. Murdering daughters who do not want to marry someone from Asia they have never met and who can't speak English (or any other European language).

 

3. Hospitalising sons for the same reasons as 2.

 

4. Murdering non-muslims.

 

5. Murdering apostates.

 

6. Murdering people for "heresy".

 

7. Murdering gays.

 

I am a lifelong liberal who has worked in many muslim countries in recent years and have had many muslim friends.

 

Islam is the enemy of liberalism.

 

 

 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Really?  I've rarely (twice?) seen a moslem wearing a burqa on Phuket.

 

Yes, many moslems - but they wear a head-covering at most.

I used to live in Ao Makham, many of them there. Also Rawai, see them daily, walking and on the bike. And whenever I'm up North see them there as well.

 

So yes, all over the place.

[mikebike]

1 minute ago, giddyup said:

Are you suggesting that muslim refugees are the same as an invasion in colonial days? If you do, I agree with you. However a lot of the muslim protesters in Denmark are homegrown. A bit like aboriginals demanding that white Australians go back to living in bark lean-to's.

Obviously you would agree. Your point of view is that you are being invaded. Duh.

 

Is your crappy analogy trying to say that the protesters in Denmark are trying to get the natives to wear veils? Really? 

 

While ur at it can you post a link to Aboriginals trying to make all Australian live in bark huts?

 

Or are y'all just addicted to hyperbole?

[mikebike]

4 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Thanks for your reply Mike. The following practices are common throughout the muslim world. The first 3 are very common in the UK too, and also occur in other parts of Europe.

 

1. Cutting the clitorises off very young girls and babies.

 

2. Murdering daughters who do not want to marry someone from Asia they have never met and who can't speak English (or any other European language).

 

3. Hospitalising sons for the same reasons as 2.

 

4. Murdering non-muslims.

 

5. Murdering apostates.

 

6. Murdering people for "heresy".

 

7. Murdering gays.

 

I am a lifelong liberal who has worked in many muslim countries in recent years and have had many muslim friends.

 

Islam is the enemy of liberalism.

 

 

 

Please give me ur def of "very common" and some hard numbers. Otherwise just more subjective bullfeathers.

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, possum1931 said:

In the interests of security, no one should be allowed to have their face covered up in public. People will stand up for the Muslim womens "right" to cover their faces until one of their own family is affected by some kind of criminal act caused because some person/persons could not be recognised because their face was covered.

Please provide statistics showing the number of crimes committed by women wearing veils. 

 

Specifically in Denmark in this case. 

 

No need to limit your statistics on the basis of faith. 

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Thanks for your reply Mike. The following practices are common throughout the muslim world. The first 3 are very common in the UK too, and also occur in other parts of Europe.

 

1. Cutting the clitorises off very young girls and babies.

 

2. Murdering daughters who do not want to marry someone from Asia they have never met and who can't speak English (or any other European language).

 

3. Hospitalising sons for the same reasons as 2.

 

4. Murdering non-muslims.

 

5. Murdering apostates.

 

6. Murdering people for "heresy".

 

7. Murdering gays.

 

I am a lifelong liberal who has worked in many muslim countries in recent years and have had many muslim friends.

 

Islam is the enemy of liberalism.

 

 

 

What a load of nonsense. And your claims 'I have had many muslin friends' and in all posts 'I am a lifelong liberal' only make it worse.

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, My Thai Life said:

 

No, the pertinent question is do I accept that a ban on veils that look like blankets is acceptable.

 

The answer is yes.

Please show a veil that looks like a blanket under the terms of the following dictionary definition. 

 

“1. a large piece of woolen or similar material used as a bed covering or other covering for warmth.”

[mikebike]

7 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

I am a lifelong liberal who has worked in many muslim countries in recent years and have had many muslim friends.

 

Islam is the enemy of liberalism.

Does repeating your mantra help you feel better?

 

It sure isn't helping to convince anyone of your point of view...

[My Thai Life]

2 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Please give me ur def of "very common" and some hard numbers. Otherwise just more subjective bullfeathers.

Mike, I'm not aware that anyone is keeping count, it would be a full-time job. But if you want to broaden your mind you could check the online newspapers for the last few years. At least one new case a month in the UK I would guess. 

 

Sweet reminiscences of 1980-85 are no longer relevant to the debate.

 

The northern American experience of muslim immigration is very different from the UK experience, for a variety of reasons.

[HAKAPALITA]

Got to give credit for someone being A Liberal Perhaps some of us old rednek intolerant types wiil help you just before yor topped by your Islamic Chums. I wouldnt ,you allowed it.


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[My Thai Life]

@ Stevenl "What a load of nonsense. And your claims 'I have had many muslin friends' and in all posts 'I am a lifelong liberal' only make it worse."

 

All you have to do is read the mainstream press in the UK to know this is true; liberal and conservative press are reporting the same cases.

 

As I said before, there is a huge difference between muslim immigration in north America and the UK.I guess this is part of your ignorance too.

 

Yes I am a lifelong liberal, and it's precisely because I am a liberal that I find the actions of this primitive superstition so disgusting. 

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Quite a few of fully covered people in southern Thailand. Phuket, Surat Thani and further south.

No they're not, they want to be able to believe in their own way.

They want everyone to be forced into their way.

[NoshowJones]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Please provide statistics showing the number of crimes committed by women wearing veils. 

 

Specifically in Denmark in this case. 

 

No need to limit your statistics on the basis of faith. 

You are asking the impossible, There is that much crime in the UK that only the biggest crimes make the news. for minor crimes, there are many that go unsolved. I'll put something to you, you show me statistics that prove that there has been no crime committed by a Muslim woman in a burkha, perhaps working on the instructions of a Muslim man, or a Muslim man dressed as a woman in a burkha.

Any sensible person knows that crimes will be committed by people wearing burkhas  for obvious reasons, not necessary Muslims. 

 

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, possum1931 said:

You are asking the impossible, There is that much crime in the UK that only the biggest crimes make the news. for minor crimes, there are many that go unsolved. I'll put something to you, you show me statistics that prove that there has been no crime committed by a Muslim woman in a burkha, perhaps working on the instructions of a Muslim man, or a Muslim man dressed as a woman in a burkha.

Any sensible person knows that crimes will be committed by people wearing burkhas  for obvious reasons, not necessary Muslims. 

 

I’m asking you to back up your defence of this ban. 

 

If you can’t then you shouldn’t make such claims. 

[mikebike]

22 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Mike, I'm not aware that anyone is keeping count, it would be a full-time job. But if you want to broaden your mind you could check the online newspapers for the last few years. At least one new case a month in the UK I would guess. 

 

Sweet reminiscences of 1980-85 are no longer relevant to the debate.

 

The northern American experience of muslim immigration is very different from the UK experience, for a variety of reasons.

Why do you think I am basing my opinions on "sweet reminiscences"?

 

Yes, our subjective experiences are different (how could they not be). Objective facts support the viewpoint that fundamentalism and radicalism are a problem. Majority/moderates are not.

 

So when, for how long, and what jobs have y'all been up to in the ME? 

[NoshowJones]

24 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Please provide statistics showing the number of crimes committed by women wearing veils. 

 

Specifically in Denmark in this case. 

 

No need to limit your statistics on the basis of faith. 

I'll tell you what Bluespunk, try googling crimes committed by people in burkhas, then get back to me.