UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[webfact 35,657]

UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

 

Anti-Brexit demonstrators wave EU and Union flags opposite the Houses of Parliament, in London, Britain, June 19, 2018. REUTERS/Henry Nicholls

 

LONDON (Reuters) - If Brexit talks break down without a deal, half of Britons believe the final decision over whether to leave the European Union should be taken by the public in a referendum, according to a survey of more than 10,000 people published on Friday.

 

The YouGov poll, commissioned by the pro-referendum "People's Vote" campaign group, found twice as many respondents favoured the public rather than parliament taking a decision between remaining in the EU or leaving the bloc without a deal.

 

With less than eight months until Britain is due to leave the EU, Prime Minister Theresa May has yet to find a proposal to maintain economic ties with the bloc that pleases both sides of her divided party and is acceptable to negotiators in Brussels.

 

At the weekend, British trade minister Liam Fox warned he saw a 60 percent chance of a "no-deal" Brexit, which would see the world's fifth-largest economy quit the EU on March 29, 2019 without a trade agreement. Concerns over the prospect of that outcome have weighed on sterling.

 

The poll, conducted July 31-Aug. 7, found 45 percent of voters supported holding a referendum on completion of the negotiations whatever the outcome, while 34 percent opposed it.

 

Asked who should make the decision between staying or leaving if the talks broke down without a deal, 50 percent said it should be the public voting in a referendum while 25 percent said it should be lawmakers voting in parliament.

 

Faced with a three-way choice between remaining in the EU, leaving without a deal or accepting May's deal, 40 percent favoured remaining, 27 percent wanted to leave without a deal and 11 percent would vote to leave with the deal proposed.

 

May has repeatedly ruled out holding another public vote on Brexit, saying the public spoke at a June 23, 2016, referendum, in which 51.9 percent of the votes cast backed leaving the EU while 48.1 percent backed staying.

 

The poll also found 74 percent of those questioned believed the negotiations were going badly, and 68 percent thought that made it likely Britain would get a bad deal.

 

(Reporting by Kylie MacLellan; editing by Stephen Addison)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-08-10

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5 minutes ago, webfact said:

 

LONDON (Reuters) - If Brexit talks break down without a deal, half of Britons believe the final decision over whether to leave the European Union should be taken by the public in a referendum, according to a survey of more than 10,000 people published on Friday.

The people made their decision. Remoaner clutching at straws again? 

[vogie 10,219]

Remainers don't like Joe Public voting, best leave it as it is and just leave.

[z42 11,492]

Completely agree. Then and now I could see merits and arguments in both sides.

However, the UK government has simply not been firm enough in its attempts to get anything like a good deal for the UK. The EU heirachy haven't given an inch despite the UK population voting on leaving, they as a bloc seem hellbent on punishing the people for voting out 

 

I personally think it's no use either way. Genie is out of the bottle. Man up and get out and be done with it.

 

Of course it'll be turbulent for a while, but surely another vote or nothing really changes is simply a non-starter

[Bluespunk 42,341]

Ha ha ha, love the brexiteers claiming the result of a democratic vote, means you can never have another vote on the issue. 

 

Why would you deny the people a vote on what brexit ultimately looks like?

Edited August 10, 2018 by Bluespunk

[smedly 20,484]

8 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Ha ha ha, love the brexiteers claiming the result of a democratic vote, means you can never have another vote on the issue. 

 

Hilarious. 

at least the UK people got a vote

 

Most of what goes in Brussels the people have no say in the matter and the unelected commission run everything without the possibility of removal - how hilarious is that

 

I have seen polls that say the complete opposite to the one quoted in the OP but the fact remains the people voted to leave 

[Bluespunk 42,341]

6 minutes ago, smedly said:

at least the UK people got a vote

 

Most of what goes in Brussels the people have no say in the matter and the unelected commission run everything without the possibility of removal - how hilarious is that

 

I have seen polls that say the complete opposite to the one quoted in the OP but the fact remains the people voted to leave 

Never said they didn’t. 

 

Just don't see why there cannot be a vote once there is a final brexit deal and all it’s consequences are clear. 

 

Brexit/no brexit, not my right to choose. I don’t live in the U.K. anymore.

 

However the authoritarian, undemocractic, “no brexit votes ever again” attitude of some brexiteers does cause me concern

Edited August 10, 2018 by Bluespunk

[My Thai Life 2,216]

10 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Just don't see why there cannot be a vote once there is a final brexit deal and all it’s consequences are clear. 

Its consequences will not be clear for years, particularly if there's a hard brexit, as it depends on the ongoing policies of our government and the EU, and not least of all on which UK political party is in power over the next few years, and who it is led by.

 

A major problem with remainers calling for another referendum is that it sets the precedent for exiters to call for a third referendum.

 

 

[Bluespunk 42,341]

6 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Its consequences will not be clear for years, particularly if there's a hard brexit, as it depends on the ongoing policies of our government and the EU, and not least of all on which UK political party is in power over the next few years, and who it is led by.

 

A major problem with remainers calling for another referendum is that it sets the precedent for exiters to call for a third referendum.

 

 

So be it. 

 

Thats what democracy is. 

[My Thai Life 2,216]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

Thats what democracy is. 

100% wrong. Democracy and government by perpetual plebiscite are fundamentally different.

[bristolboy 7,323]

Just now, My Thai Life said:

100% wrong. Democracy and government by perpetual plebiscite are fundamentally different.

only if in fact there are perpetual plebescites. 2  hardly constitutes perpetuity.

[Bluespunk 42,341]

1 minute ago, My Thai Life said:

100% wrong. Democracy and government by perpetual plebiscite are fundamentally different.

100% wrong. 

 

Calling for a referendum is a democratic right. 

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2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

So be it. 

 

Thats what democracy is. 

Unfortunately the Brexit commotion is now less about leaving the EU, and the farcical ongoing negotiations, but very much more about the future of the conservative party.   Basically,  due to their bungling and spineless negotiation most of the British public are sick to death with the Tory in-fighting.  Regardless of how arguably useless Jeremy Corbyn would be as a PM, the instinctive reaction to this shambles will be to vote in any other potential party.   The conservatives are running scared that a shift to the left will become a rout and hence their own very futures on the UK political gravy train will be endangered. Whether the next general election will become before or after the Brexit date is debatable but sure as hell the current government will not go its' full term. 

 

Remember David Cameroon the guy that got the UK divided ? Guess he is away with all his multi million pound book deals and directorships and just keeping his head down in some offshore Tory protected tax haven, metaphorically speaking.

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51 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Never said they didn’t. 

 

Just don't see why there cannot be a vote once there is a final brexit deal and all it’s consequences are clear. 

 

Brexit/no brexit, not my right to choose. I don’t live in the U.K. anymore.

 

However the authoritarian, undemocractic, “no brexit votes ever again” attitude of some brexiteers does cause me concern

the people didn't vote for a deal they voted to leave and that is what should have happened, all this deal stuff is outside the scope of leaving - it confused the issue.

 

Talks on a trade deal should be no part of leaving the EU they are a separate issue, when ART 50 was triggered the UK should have been working on leaving under WTO - if the EU wanted to talk trade deal while that was going on then fine, it is all this deal stuff that has caused the confusion across the board.

 

The EU Commission does not want a powerhouse trader like the  UK with their own world trade freedom competing against them - they will stop at nothing to prevent that as has been shown so far

 

The people voted to leave the EU not soft not hard ……………………...Leave 100% Leave

[Bluespunk 42,341]

3 minutes ago, smedly said:

the people didn't vote for a deal they voted to leave and that is what should have happened, all this deal stuff is outside the scope of leaving - it confused the issue.

 

Talks on a trade deal should be no part of leaving the EU they are a separate issue, when ART 50 was triggered the UK should have been working on leaving under WTO - if the EU wanted to talk trade deal while that was going on then fine, it is all this deal stuff that has caused the confusion across the board.

 

The EU Commission does not want a powerhouse trader like the  UK with their own world trade freedom competing against them - they will stop at nothing to prevent that as has been shown so far

 

The people voted to leave the EU not soft not hard ……………………...Leave 100% Leave

The people should have the right to vote on any final deal.