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UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

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25 minutes ago, Esso49 said:

Unfortunately the Brexit commotion is now less about leaving the EU, and the farcical ongoing negotiations, but very much more about the future of the conservative party.   Basically,  due to their bungling and spineless negotiation most of the British public are sick to death with the Tory in-fighting.  Regardless of how arguably useless Jeremy Corbyn would be as a PM, the instinctive reaction to this shambles will be to vote in any other potential party.   The conservatives are running scared that a shift to the left will become a rout and hence their own very futures on the UK political gravy train will be endangered. Whether the next general election will become before or after the Brexit date is debatable but sure as hell the current government will not go its' full term. 

 

Remember David Cameroon the guy that got the UK divided ? Guess he is away with all his multi million pound book deals and directorships and just keeping his head down in some offshore Tory protected tax haven, metaphorically speaking.

The house of commons is confused about all this deal talk - it should never have been part of the leaving process - if they want to debate about a trade deal then that should have been after we had fully left, the UK will be striking up trade deals all over the world - the EU should have been no different 

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I'll give the guy holding the Union Jack upside down the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he is intentionally trying to signal distress!

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1 hour ago, z42 said:

he UK government has simply not been firm enough in its attempts to get anything like a good deal for the UK. The EU heirachy haven't given an inch despite the UK population voting on leaving,

There IS no good deal to be had on leaving the EU and there cannot be. That's the whole point of the EU's approach to the negotiations. Expecting anything else is naive. And stamping your little foot won't change anything.

 

All there is for Britain - at least for the next 10 years - is a few minor variations on the theme Disaster.

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A revote with the facts should be the natural way forward the aspirations of Boris Gove and Faranatang have now been proved useless in a global economy. The EU will at some stage fall apart from its own miss management .After more than two years of constant bickering resignations the DUP propping up a weak inept government all we have to show for it  is fast rising prices and a destroyed pound and a massive bill?

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12 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

There IS no good deal to be had on leaving the EU and there cannot be. That's the whole point of the EU's approach to the negotiations. Expecting anything else is naive. And stamping your little foot won't change anything.

 

All there is for Britain - at least for the next 10 years - is a few minor variations on the theme Disaster.

It is like it is.
If you no longer want to be a member of a club and do not like the club rules anymore, you step out.
Finished.

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5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The people should have the right to vote on any final deal. 

what deal ? - they didn't vote for a deal they voted to leave period, that was what the referendum was for - leave the EU or stay in, nothing about a deal, nothing about soft/hard they voted to leave the EU period

 

If a trade deal can be sorted out with the EU after we leave then fine - do they get a vote on that ? do they get a vote on trade deals with China - USA - Australia - India - Japan ?????? are you proposing there is a referendum every time the UK negotiates a trade deal with another country ?

 

A trade deal with the EU is not and never should have been part of the leaving process - it is exactly what has confused the issue, there is nothing in ART 50 that requires any sort of trade deal, the referendum did not say "leaving the EU with a trade deal" or staying in, of course certain divisive people continue to say the people didn't know what they voted for - that is a fundamental lie, everyone knew exactly what leaving meant, we have people like Anna Soubry constantly trying to justify themselves by making this claim - it is absolute nonsense - she was elected by her constituents on the CON manifesto that clearly stated leaving the EU - she was elected and now stands in the house doing the exact opposite and her constituents that voted her in to that seat cannot remove her until another General Election - politically she is finished along with her band of supporters in the house

 

Those MP's across the house that refuse to accept the will of the people and the clear result of the referendum should have joined the Libdems 

 

People keep referring to Mogg and the other leave supporters in the house as rebels when in fact all they are doing is supporting the result of the referendum - they are hardly rebels, it is the other crew that are ignoring the result are the ones causing all the problems in the house. and there is equal confusion in the LAB party it just doesn't get exposed so much because they are not in government.  

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1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Calling for a referendum is a democratic right. 

Errr we had it. We voted to leave. So really we cant have another referendum on it until we've left. Good look with that Remoaners. 

Since the start of this charade it's clear that a hard Brexit would be the final result. 
So carry on Remoaners. Waaaa waaaa waaaa.

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20 minutes ago, smedly said:

The house of commons is confused about all this deal talk - it should never have been part of the leaving process - if they want to debate about a trade deal then that should have been after we had fully left, the UK will be striking up trade deals all over the world - the EU should have been no different 

I won't argue with you but I'd love to see how the UK will be striking up all those trade deals. After a no deal Brexit they will have to start from scratch so a lot to catch up with.

How long do you think it will take for just one deal (with whatever country/trade bloc you like)? And how will the UK manage to do a lot of trade negotiations simultaneously?

So far, the UK doesn't seem that good in negotiating....

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7 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

It is like it is.
If you no longer want to be a member of a club and do not like the club rules anymore, you step out.
Finished.

Exactly

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3 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

I won't argue with you but I'd love to see how the UK will be striking up all those trade deals. After a no deal Brexit they will have to start from scratch so a lot to catch up with.

How long do you think it will take for just one deal (with whatever country/trade bloc you like)? And how will the UK manage to do a lot of trade negotiations simultaneously?

So far, the UK doesn't seem that good in negotiating....

Let me remind you of something - 80% of UK trade is outside of the EU and is growing fast - get with the program, the EU is important but not critical, we will always have trade with the EU no matter what happens - even under WTO rules we will still be trading with the EU

 

Some people really need to waken up and stop being led by the press nose ring

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2 hours ago, Rally123 said:

The people made their decision. Remoaner clutching at straws again? 

 

Where does it say that the decision was final and can never be voted on again?

 

Brexiters trying to deny democracy again.

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1 minute ago, smedly said:

Let me remind you of something - 80% of UK trade is outside of the EU and is growing fast - get with the program, the EU is important but not critical, we will always have trade with the EU no matter what happens - even under WTO rules we will still be trading with the EU

 

Some people really need to waken up and stop being led by the press nose ring

Why then this whole panic?
How the uK deals with its minorities (48% for remain) in its democracy is their business. The split in the country will continue for many years.

If then the economic success fails (until now the uk has not yet a single signature ready trade deal in the pipline), then have fun.

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15 minutes ago, smedly said:

what deal ? - they didn't vote for a deal they voted to leave period, that was what the referendum was for - leave the EU or stay in, nothing about a deal, nothing about soft/hard they voted to leave the EU period

 

If a trade deal can be sorted out with the EU after we leave then fine - do they get a vote on that ? do they get a vote on trade deals with China - USA - Australia - India - Japan ?????? are you proposing there is a referendum every time the UK negotiates a trade deal with another country ?

 

A trade deal with the EU is not and never should have been part of the leaving process - it is exactly what has confused the issue, there is nothing in ART 50 that requires any sort of trade deal, the referendum did not say "leaving the EU with a trade deal" or staying in, of course certain divisive people continue to say the people didn't know what they voted for - that is a fundamental lie, everyone knew exactly what leaving meant, we have people like Anna Soubry constantly trying to justify themselves by making this claim - it is absolute nonsense - she was elected by her constituents on the CON manifesto that clearly stated leaving the EU - she was elected and now stands in the house doing the exact opposite and her constituents that voted her in to that seat cannot remove her until another General Election - politically she is finished along with her band of supporters in the house

 

Those MP's across the house that refuse to accept the will of the people and the clear result of the referendum should have joined the Libdems 

 

People keep referring to Mogg and the other leave supporters in the house as rebels when in fact all they are doing is supporting the result of the referendum - they are hardly rebels, it is the other crew that are ignoring the result are the ones causing all the problems in the house. and there is equal confusion in the LAB party it just doesn't get exposed so much because they are not in government.  

 

I hope you don't mind, but I've just copied and pasted your comment into an email and sent it to myself - I'm not on my own laptop - and titled the email "The best response to a Brexit question ever".  Thank you.

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7 minutes ago, smedly said:

Let me remind you of something - 80% of UK trade is outside of the EU and is growing fast - get with the program, the EU is important but not critical, we will always have trade with the EU no matter what happens - even under WTO rules we will still be trading with the EU

 

Some people really need to waken up and stop being led by the press nose ring

It would be an interesting economic experiment.

Looking forward to the UK applying for rejoining the EU after a couple of years.

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