Splits deepen over British minister Johnson's burqa comments

[superal]

2 hours ago, apalink_thailand said:

Then again, what would happen to those 'free of choice", happy Muslim women, if they decided to take off the headgear and walk about the fully “integrated" streets of their communities? 

Good point ,  probably get stoned in their country of origin , in the UK maybe under house arrest at the very least 

[7by7]

13 hours ago, superal said:

Well , I cannot believe you took the bait and fell into the trap

10/10 for your attempt to turn your abject failure into some sort of victory!

 

13 hours ago, superal said:

You are arguing that the burqa should be allowed to be worn in public but you have just demonstrated exactly why it should be banned by producing an extensive list where it is not to be worn .  That is an admission of security risks 

It is an extensive list of where no face coverings are allowed, of whatever type. In many of the examples, face coverings have to be removed for an initial identification check and once that is done they can be replaced. For example, a burka wearing woman has to remove her veil at passport control but once her identification has been verified she can replace it. 

 

No one has ever denied that any face covering, whether it be a full face moter bike helmet, a smog mask, a balaclava,  a burka, whatever represents a security risk; which is why such coverings have to be removed for identification purposes etc.

 

But if you want to use a faux claim of security as an excuse for banning the burka, then you have to agree to banning all the other forms of face covering as well.

 

13 hours ago, superal said:

and having no regards to the ways of living in the UK , instead they wish to export their ideals from their mother country

As said many times, the mother country of many burka wearers is the UK!

 

What about other items of dress which are not traditionally British, such as those I listed before. If you want to ban the burka because it is unBritish, you have to ban all of those as well.

13 hours ago, superal said:

When you do-gooders can get it through your intransigent minds that Muslim dress and burqa are not welcome by the majority of the UK population , is not a thing of beauty , is the symbol of fear to the western world , has no place in the UK as it demonstrates lack of respect to Muslim women who are forced to wear it and is only the tip of the iceberg regarding Muslim practices .

                                                        Time to leave the dark ages .

When will you get it into your head that the UK is a democracy, where people have the freedom of choice within the law. That your ignorant prejudice means you don't like that choice is your opinion, and you are entitled to that opinion; just as those women who choose to wear a burka are entitled to their choice.

 

Time you left the dark ages and accepted that democracy means, among other things, people having the right to choose; even when you don't like their choice.

 

 

[7by7]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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No burqas in Saudi. They wear abayas.

You should tell that to the many on here who keep on insisting, despite the evidence presented to them to the contrary, that burkas are compulsory for all women in Saudi!

 

BTW, the abaya isn't compulsory, either.

[7by7]

7 hours ago, apalink_thailand said:

On ‎8‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 7:39 PM, 7by7 said:

"It has been shown to you many times in the other topic that many. I'm not saying all, British Muslim women who wear a niqab or burka do so of their own free will; exercising a choice you would deny them for no reason other than your hate."

Then again, what would happen to those 'free of choice", happy Muslim women, if they decided to take off the headgear and walk about the fully “integrated" streets of their communities? 

 

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nothing at all, just like the vast majority of Muslim women in the U.K.

 

 

Indeed.

 

As has been already shown, although there has been no actual hard statistics produced, estimates are that between 0.5-1% of British Muslim women wear a burka or niqab.

 

This means of course that at least 99% don't!

 

I live in a town with a Muslim population of just over 7%; not the largest, but not the smallest either. My work takes me all over the UK, often to towns and areas with a far larger Muslim population than that. To see a woman wearing a burka or niqab outside the Arab enclaves around the Edgeware Road in London is very rare.

 

4 hours ago, superal said:

7 hours ago, apalink_thailand said:

Then again, what would happen to those 'free of choice", happy Muslim women, if they decided to take off the headgear and walk about the fully “integrated" streets of their communities? 

Good point ,  probably get stoned in their country of origin , in the UK maybe under house arrest at the very leas

 

For many, their country of origin is the UK; we don't stone people here.

 

Some countries do still have this barbaric punishment; but we are talking about the UK; a free democracy; not a dictatorship, theocracy or any other form of undemocratic government.

 

As the burka is neither illegal nor compulsory in the UK, why would anyone be under house arrest for not wearing one? Indeed, one of the women I quoted before says that to wear it is her choice, a choice none of her daughters has made. She respects their choice why can't you respect hers?

 

Or maybe you believe her husband, their father, does not allow his daughters to leave the house! Wouldn't be surprised, considering some of the ignorant pony you have posted.