Scott Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 More posts removed. Continue and face a suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boon Mee said: Manafort's 'crimes' have zero to do with Trump. But, the witch hunt is almost over. Another Trump supporter pretending he doesn’t know how this works. Manafort has at least one more trial ahead of him and some tough decisions to make. Get your denial glasses on, the truth will (despite Trump’s best efforts) out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 This will show them darned rascally Russians. Personally hope Trump pardons him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Boon Mee said: Manafort's 'crimes' have zero to do with Trump. Other than trying to sell a position in the trump administration, and agreeing to keep the Russians updated on the trump campaign, agreed, as far as we know today. I think Manafort has another trial, so the jury is out, so to speak. (Not sure about the witness tampering charge(s)?) And he will probably be indicted in the future for Conspiracy (Collusion) with the Russians, along with DJTJ, Jared, Stoney and a dozen other members of the trump crime syndicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Looks like they will have to save a whole wing at Leavenworth for this crew lol who is next?don junior?2 of trumps senators indicted for shady stuff the last couple of days Duncan hunter and some other rascal last week what a freak show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, IAMHERE said: This will show them darned rascally Russians. Personally hope Trump pardons him. Pretty sure Manafort feels the same way. Pence46 probably would pardon Manafort, after pardoning trump and his gang? But maybe he'll decide to cooperate? The stories he could tell, oh my. However, a pardon, or pardons, might make trump look guilty-ish, so he'll have to make a political calculation. But he won't lose any sleep over throwing Paully Man under the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Just now, mtls2005 said: I think Manafort has another trial, so the jury is out, so to speak. The current trial is more about where Manafort received funds from. The Washington trial is more about where those funds went (offshore accounts, shell companies). This is where Trump could be exposed as a recipient of those funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Spidey said: The Washington trial is more about where those funds went (offshore accounts, shell companies). This is where Trump could be exposed as a recipient of those funds. And the documents, in that case, are said to voluminous, incriminating and insightful. A DC jury might not be so "understanding"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 As of today, the following people connected to the Trump campaign /Trump Administration are convicted felons: Former campaign chairman. Former deputy campaign chairman, part of the transition team/ inauguration committee. Former National Security advisor. Former foreign policy advisor. Also, former personal lawyer, fixer and campaign aid Michael Cohen has pled guilty to campaign finance violations. Numerous cabinet officials and close WH aids have been fired/forced to resign under clouds of ethics violations. Yet more are under ethics or criminal investigations. ...and we are still only in the second year of his presidency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Manafort has at least one more trial ahead of him and he’s right now calculating the pros (for him there are no cons) of cooperating with Mueller. I disagree. There are many cons, some of whom have been caught paying off the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod reborn Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 4 hours ago, UncleTouchyFingers said: Still nothing on this front. Mueller is still gathering evidence on the hacking indictment. It's a complex cybercrime counterterrorism investigation. The fact that the Russian side has been wrapped up shows considerable progress. Mueller is waiting to have his chance to interview Assange, who will be extradited in due course. Matt Gaetz (unnamed Congressional candidate #1) is already going down for receiving the DNCC hacked emails. Stone is the next to be indicted, but Mueller may want Assange before he indicts Stone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This will go largely overlooked on this forum. That's because it's not accurate. Manafort was convicted on bank fraud and tax fraud charges which occurred during his tenure as Trump's campaign manager. He received $30 million from Deripaska while working for the Trump campaign, and failed to report the income. He applied for most of his loans (bank fraud) in the 2014-2016 timeframe, because the Yanukovych gravy train had run out. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep, and everyone here will overlook this too. Including Trump, although he now lies about it. Manafort was campaign chairman from March through August 2016. He had control of the daily operations of the campaign as well as an expanded $20 million budget, hiring decisions, advertising, and media strategy. Like most hires in the Trump campaign, Manafort was not vetted. Manafort was the key player in locking up Trump's GOP nomination. Trump was anticipating a delegate fight with Bush, and Manafort was brought in to pin down the delegates, who were threatening to jump ship. Manafort continued to serve as campaign chairman and was dismissed on the same day as Trump's first security briefing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can take some solace in the fact that the Manafort jury bought his counsel's arguments about the credibility of Gates, as there was a mistrial on all counts in which Gates had co-conspired with Manafort. Manafort has another trial which relates mostly to his work in Ukraine as an uregistered lobbyist. Trump will have to wait until after the midterms to pardon Manafort, but Manafort will face state charges and still go to prison. Doesn't it bother you that Trump surrounded himself with criminals (Cohen, Rep. Chris Collins, Rep. Duncan Hunter) and Russian agents (Manafort, Gates, Papadopolous, Flynn, Carter Page and the NRA/Butin/Torshin)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, zaphod reborn said: Doesn't it bother you that Trump surrounded himself with criminals (Cohen, Rep. Chris Collins, Rep. Duncan Hunter) and Russian agents (Manafort, Gates, Papadopolous, Flynn, Carter Page and the NRA/Butin/Torshin)? Indeed. If, as Trump's supporters keep telling us (and it's a very big if), Trump is in no way whatsoever involved in any of the multiple indictments and convictions of people who are just coincidently linked to him, then why the rallying against Mueller in every single thread? Trump told us that he was going to clean up politics. Mueller is doing exactly that. Surely, if Trump has nothing to fear, he and his supporters should welcome the investigation, and cheer loudly when another corrupt criminal conman is brought to justice? It's more than a little foolish to be ranting against someone who is doing exactly what you yourself promised to do. But, then again, Trump is more than a little fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, zaphod reborn said: Doesn't it bother you that Trump surrounded himself with criminals (Cohen, Rep. Chris Collins, Rep. Duncan Hunter) and Russian agents (Manafort, Gates, Papadopolous, Flynn, Carter Page and the NRA/Butin/Torshin)? I don't think it matters one bit to the base man-child supporters if he was caught orange handed raping a minor. They're all in with the slime ball in their quest for their pitiful MAWA pipe dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 6 hours ago, webfact said: Manafort's lawyer, Kevin Downing, told reporters afterward that his client was disappointed in the verdict and was evaluating his options. Missing from this statement is any reference to appealing the convictions! No mention of fighting the remaining 10 charges in a possible retrial. With his next near-term trial in DC whose issues are more mundane than those just tried, Manafort has to be thinking whether he has any options with Mueller for a plea bargain or with Trump for a pardon. Those options are time constrained! Cohen's recent voluntary admission of guilt to all charges brought against him and what may be Cohen's possible "coordination" with Mueller going forward concerning the Trump election campaign's activities may further pressure Manafort in how he chooses his options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Watch now as State charges come in and between them and the IRS Manafort is stripped of his wealth. Doubt it with Chuck Rettig a Trump puppet due to take over at the IRS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, Srikcir said: Missing from this statement is any reference to appealing the convictions! Given they offered no defense this seems unlikely. The likely sentence seems to be 7 - 9 years. The government can take their time deciding to re-try on the 10 "hung" charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcsmith Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Not to mention there are additional charges that weren't in this case for Manafort. There is supposedly twice as much evidence in the next trial. He's going to be in prison for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Boon Mee said: Manafort's 'crimes' have zero to do with Trump. But, the witch hunt is almost over. Why put 'crimes' in quotes? These are definitely crimes, and Trump's campaign manager is now a convicted felon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, jcsmith said: Not to mention there are additional charges that weren't in this case for Manafort. There is supposedly twice as much evidence in the next trial. He's going to be in prison for a long time. I can just see Manafort and his lawyers.... Lawyer1: Sorry Paulie, but this is the end of the road. Make the deal. PM: With Mueller? But... Lawyer2: I agree Paulie, make the deal. PM: But Donnie promised me a pardon. Lawyer1: DT can't help you. The feds have got a truckload. And the state charges. Lawyer2: Make the deal Paulie. PM: Donnie will never forgive me. Lawyer1: Don't worry about DT. He's going to go to prison for much longer. He can't hurt you. PM: But... Lawyer2: Make the deal Paulie. The air is much more pleasant outside the prison walls. PM: Ok. Make the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 28 minutes ago, mtls2005 said: The government can take their time deciding to re-try on the 10 "hung" charges. "Ellis gave the prosecution until Aug. 29 to decide whether to retry Manafort on the charges on which the jury deadlocked." That puts a lot of pressure on Manafort too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, Srikcir said: "Ellis gave the prosecution until Aug. 29 to decide whether to retry Manafort on the charges on which the jury deadlocked." Yes, but...the government can decide to retry within the week, and then, later on, decide to drop that retrial. So all they have to do by August 29, 2018 is put in writing that they want to retry. After that, they can take their time deciding whether to proceed. That said, I suspect they will choose not to retry on these 10 counts, more from a PR perspective. But that's just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 5 hours ago, zaphod reborn said: Like most hires in the Trump campaign, Manafort was not vetted. Trump didn’t have to vet him because Putin had already done so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 The best news is: It’s only going to get better from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: It’s only going to get better from now on. Can't wait to see/hear Rudy hit the TV trail. Alan Dershowitz already debased himself last night on Fox News - "everyone violently murders their ex-wife and her boyfriend". I just love Tucker's perplexed look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1. what has it to with president trump ??? nothing at all for their is no russian collusion. 2. like manafort , michael cohen pleaded guilty on 8 counts trying also to criminalise the president by saying he instructed him to pay a porn star and influencing the elecrion also no collusion with russia and the campaign stuff is hard to prove being a grey legal area. 3.mr trump did well he had the last NAZI DEORTED to germany who lived since 1949 in the usa, obama etc were unable to have him deported, why??? for that mr trump was thked by a jewish DEMOCRAT calling the whole campaign against trump a nonsense purely motivated by DEMOCRATS ON POLITICAL REASONS FOR THEY FEAR LOOSING THEIR VOTES, fox & friends fox news 220818 wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, roobaa01 said: 1. what has it to with president trump ??? nothing at all for their is no russian collusion. 2. like manafort , michael cohen pleaded guilty on 8 counts trying also to criminalise the president by saying he instructed him to pay a porn star and influencing the elecrion also no collusion with russia and the campaign stuff is hard to prove being a grey legal area. 3.mr trump did well he had the last NAZI DEORTED to germany who lived since 1949 in the usa, obama etc were unable to have him deported, why??? for that mr trump was thked by a jewish DEMOCRAT calling the whole campaign against trump a nonsense purely motivated by DEMOCRATS ON POLITICAL REASONS FOR THEY FEAR LOOSING THEIR VOTES, fox & friends fox news 220818 wbr roobaa01 Out of curiosity, who do you think will be the next member of Team Trump to be convicted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Slip Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: Out of curiosity, who do you think will be the next member of Team Trump to be convicted? I want Roger Stone, but it's so hard to pin it down to one. Let those who deserve it be royally fukt (whichever side of the aisle they come from of course.) The present incumbents should be first port of call of course, lest they inflict any more damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCauto Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 And the dominoes start falling...and Michael Cohen is fully turned and singing about...wait for it...collusion with Russia! Witchhunt! Best people! How many now convicted felons? And Cohen about to turn State's evidence on Russia. A link direct between Russian mafia money, Ukraine politics, the NRA and Trump. The house of cards is falling in slow motion. What a great show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Mueller is very smart. He knows that at any moment Trump could go completely , so Manafort was not prosecuted by Mueller or his team. So, if Trump manages to fire Mueller, his prosecution will continue. I suspect that he is spreading these cases around to protect the integrity of the overall investigation. I wouldn't doubt if Jared K. or Don Jr. are in Mueller's firing line, but Mueller knows that if he goes after them it will be all out war with Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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