Mexlark Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, baboon said: Indeed. For example there is a rumour going around that I have a 12 inch ding-a-ling. I know because I started it... Media impartiality is a problem here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 They should ban promotion to senior positions in the military until at least 3/4 of the generals have retired or gone their merry way. Promotion could then be based on merit, not on whose butt you have been licking. Together with an end to conscription, a more professional military could then develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob12345 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Mexlark said: Rumor has it he owns a certain hospital group - with a rep for costing an arm and a leg Why not just say what you mean? Are you referring to the Bangkok Hospital (BDMS group) group, which is known to be not cheap and is one of the biggest hospital groups in the country? In that case you are wrong, as it is owned by Prasert Prasarttong-Osoth, who also owns Bangkok Airways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Nickymaster said: Yeah right. I started by giving you a link and you just gave me other links by not commenting on my link..... Welcome back. Read your link before, many times.....seems all the wannabe fascists know how to google "Thaksin" and "corruption" but none of you guys know how to find impartial, unbiased information or alternative views so I helped you out with a couple of links (which I have posted many times here in response to nonsense spat out by others just like you). Out of curiosity, have you got any links to provide highlighting Junta corruption or human rights abuses???? (I bet not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexlark Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 So we are all agreed then. Thai politics is a hideous monstrosity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexlark Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bob12345 said: Why not just say what you mean? Are you referring to the Bangkok Hospital (BDMS group) group, which is known to be not cheap and is one of the biggest hospital groups in the country? In that case you are wrong, as it is owned by Prasert Prasarttong-Osoth, who also owns Bangkok Airways. Not exactly inspiring either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAKAPALITA Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Not exactly inspiring eitherHospital closely related to Thaksin , but does not want many to know that!.Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Mexlark said: So we are all agreed then. Thai politics is a hideous monstrosity No, we are not all agreed. Your statement is exactly what the Junta wants everyone to believe. It is their sole justification for this coup (and previous coups and subsequent coups). For instance, Thai politics bought about Universal healthcare (which amongst other things lowered the infant mortality rate amongst poor Thais by 17,000 per year). Thai politics is far from perfect, but it is also far, far better than undemocratic military rule. The hideous monstrosity is from those who use the imperfections of democracy to justify the evil of the Generals and their backers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob12345 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, robblok said: These are just empty promises as it can only be done if they have like 70% of votes. So I like the plans but nobody should think it will be really done unless they got like 70% of votes. Not empty promises, it is just how politics works. Every party makes proposals, and if they get enough votes they try to make it a reality. In this case, they need 70% to get it done. If they don't get enough votes, you shouldn't expect it to happen. I tihnk everybody realizes that... the party needs to get into power and then it can make changes. The greatness of the promise is that it puts the conscription on the table, which was not up for debate before. Next step is to let all other parties indicate what they want to do with the military, and support that with arguments. More conscripts, less conscripts, more money for weapons, less money for weapons? And more importantly: why? At least it is being discussed, which is a good thing cause the current situation is absurd where a military runs the country, has no oversight, mingles in politics, has huge budgets, and has conscripts that they use for gardening and other free slave labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Wilsonandson said: Don't they have any ideas of their own? It sounds more like revenge than good governance. He owns the PTP party and pays their salary. He demands obedience not free thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: He owns the PTP party and pays their salary. He demands obedience not free thinking! How do you know these things? What, where, whom is your source? Is it, are they credible? Without the above, the truth is, you're just letting your prejudices run wild upon your keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Bob12345 said: Not empty promises, it is just how politics works. Every party makes proposals, and if they get enough votes they try to make it a reality. In this case, they need 70% to get it done. If they don't get enough votes, you shouldn't expect it to happen. I tihnk everybody realizes that... the party needs to get into power and then it can make changes. The greatness of the promise is that it puts the conscription on the table, which was not up for debate before. Next step is to let all other parties indicate what they want to do with the military, and support that with arguments. More conscripts, less conscripts, more money for weapons, less money for weapons? And more importantly: why? At least it is being discussed, which is a good thing cause the current situation is absurd where a military runs the country, has no oversight, mingles in politics, has huge budgets, and has conscripts that they use for gardening and other free slave labour. The same "Patriarch" promised to make every one a millionaire in 6 months if they voted for him once; and vowed to stand shoulder to shoulder with his paid insurgents when the bullets started flying. He lied. Most Shin promises can be taken with a pinch of salt. The only thing they ever deliver is more wealth for themselves and a few crumbs for the masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickymaster Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, pornprong said: Welcome back. Read your link before, many times.....seems all the wannabe fascists know how to google "Thaksin" and "corruption" but none of you guys know how to find impartial, unbiased information or alternative views so I helped you out with a couple of links (which I have posted many times here in response to nonsense spat out by others just like you). Out of curiosity, have you got any links to provide highlighting Junta corruption or human rights abuses???? (I bet not) Still trolling. Thought the topic was about PT. Yes it was stupid to give you the benefit of the doubt. Have a nice day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Pheu Thai is just re-visiting this contentious subject. Since it was enacted in 1954 as the Military Service Act, many have been critical of the conscription from well known social activists to the Dem Party. Only PTP is bold enough to call for its elimination. Most people just dislike this act for good reasons. The 50's was so much different from the present 'no threat' situation. The conscription is corrupted, resources mis-used and drain on the economy with 12 B Baht spent annually just for the draftees. Thailand has the population to have a standing army and conscripts don't add to the military prowess as there are no system to incorporate and re-call them back after their run-out-date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, pornprong said: How do you know these things? What, where, whom is your source? Is it, are they credible? Without the above, the truth is, you're just letting your prejudices run wild upon your keyboard. Wake up - check who was paying PTP MP's a salary in addition to their parliamentary one. Thaivisa and other news sources will confirm it if you do some research. Or just parot that comment and hope to discredit reality if you prefer. Why do you think he reshuffled YL's cabinet so many times, sent for various people to meet him and still does? The truth is everyone knows Thaksin totally controls PTP - but you need to deflect it and pretend it's a real party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bob12345 said: Not empty promises, it is just how politics works. Every party makes proposals, and if they get enough votes they try to make it a reality. In this case, they need 70% to get it done. If they don't get enough votes, you shouldn't expect it to happen. I tihnk everybody realizes that... the party needs to get into power and then it can make changes. The greatness of the promise is that it puts the conscription on the table, which was not up for debate before. Next step is to let all other parties indicate what they want to do with the military, and support that with arguments. More conscripts, less conscripts, more money for weapons, less money for weapons? And more importantly: why? At least it is being discussed, which is a good thing cause the current situation is absurd where a military runs the country, has no oversight, mingles in politics, has huge budgets, and has conscripts that they use for gardening and other free slave labour. I still think its an empty promise.. or at least not a realistic one as the ptp has never had the amount of votes needed for such a change. I think the chances are not high. I do like the idea... but i doubt it will happen. I am all for this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 38 minutes ago, tomta said: It would be helpful if you explained how this move would do what you say. In my view, it removes a trough from the military snout - no more servants, no more bribes to get out of conscription, no more refunds from soldiers wages and a hell of a lot less power. And with time, hopefully, the benefits of a professional, apolitical army that is not in a position to throw a coup every time its power is threatened. I can't see a downside. It will also as others have said force all other parties to show their hands on this issue. You can't see a downside.... How naive, no further comment needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: Wake up - check who was paying PTP MP's a salary in addition to their parliamentary one. Thaivisa and other news sources will confirm it if you do some research. Or just parot that comment and hope to discredit reality if you prefer. Why do you think he reshuffled YL's cabinet so many times, sent for various people to meet him and still does? The truth is everyone knows Thaksin totally controls PTP - but you need to deflect it and pretend it's a real party. So no links then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexlark Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, pornprong said: No, we are not all agreed. Your statement is exactly what the Junta wants everyone to believe. It is their sole justification for this coup (and previous coups and subsequent coups). For instance, Thai politics bought about Universal healthcare (which amongst other things lowered the infant mortality rate amongst poor Thais by 17,000 per year). Thai politics is far from perfect, but it is also far, far better than undemocratic military rule. The hideous monstrosity is from those who use the imperfections of democracy to justify the evil of the Generals and their backers. So we do pretty much all agree. The junta Is also part of this montrosity. Let's relabel it as kleptocracy; although cluster**** is probably a better term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, pornprong said: So no links then? Absolutely no need for links, all been confirmed numerous times over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: The same "Patriarch" promised to make every one a millionaire in 6 months if they voted for him once; and vowed to stand shoulder to shoulder with his paid insurgents when the bullets started flying. He lied. Most Shin promises can be taken with a pinch of salt. The only thing they ever deliver is more wealth for themselves and a few crumbs for the masses. Most "Shin" promises touted by Junta Fanboys turn out to be no more than unscrutinised junta propaganda and lies.........unless of course you have a link or two?? If it is true that the only thing they ever deliver is "more wealth for themselves and a few crumbs for the masses" then you should be all for democracy as it would only be a matter of time until the voters deserted the "Shins" and then Thaksin would fade away into obscurity. It kind of begs the questions what it is that you want, is it to be rid of Thaksin or is it really that you want non-democratic fascist ruling Thailand.....hmmmmm? By the way, any thoughts on what the Junta deliver for themselves and the masses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, scorecard said: Absolutely no need for links, all been confirmed numerous times over the years. Must be tonnes of links out there then.............it's funny how you can't find any, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Nickymaster said: Still trolling. Thought the topic was about PT. Yes it was stupid to give you the benefit of the doubt. Have a nice day! Goodbye again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brain150 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Divide and Conquer !!! Looks like CIA textbook to me. There is no way the Junta can allow this to happen but as a result there will be tensions that can be used to divide the people even more than they are already. The Ukraine comes to mind - exactly the same situation and what happened there is well known. Iran, Cuba, Nicaragua, Libya, Syria - the list is long. Always the same strategy used and by know pretty well documented. Be prepared for some ugly things to happen in the near future. Unless of course people start to understand what is happening and who really pulls the strings behind the scenes. It is not Thaksin ... he is just a puppet himself. It is also not the Junta. There is a much bigger game played here and Thailand is just a tiny part of it. "The grand chessboard" is a good place to start for anybody who wants to understand the connections !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, pornprong said: Most "Shin" promises touted by Junta Fanboys turn out to be no more than unscrutinised junta propaganda and lies.........unless of course you have a link or two?? If it is true that the only thing they ever deliver is "more wealth for themselves and a few crumbs for the masses" then you should be all for democracy as it would only be a matter of time until the voters deserted the "Shins" and then Thaksin would fade away into obscurity. It kind of begs the questions what it is that you want, is it to be rid of Thaksin or is it really that you want non-democratic fascist ruling Thailand.....hmmmmm? By the way, any thoughts on what the Junta deliver for themselves and the masses? Distort, deflect, deny the truth, pretend, claim anyone daring to criticize the Big Boss must be a fascist Junta fanboy. How desperate the Shin shrills must be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, pornprong said: Must be tonnes of links out there then.............it's funny how you can't find any, don't you think? Boring trolling - yet again. Let's pretend Thaksin has never ever done anything wrong, never ever lied and is as honest as the day is long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 35 minutes ago, Bob12345 said: Why not just say what you mean? Are you referring to the Bangkok Hospital (BDMS group) group, which is known to be not cheap and is one of the biggest hospital groups in the country? In that case you are wrong, as it is owned by Prasert Prasarttong-Osoth, who also owns Bangkok Airways. Not quite correct: - Prasert Prasarttong-Osoth - owns 10% of the shares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: Wake up - check who was paying PTP MP's a salary in addition to their parliamentary one. Thaivisa and other news sources will confirm it if you do some research. Or just parot that comment and hope to discredit reality if you prefer. Are you privy to the accounts and journals of PTP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 24 minutes ago, pornprong said: How do you know these things? What, where, whom is your source? Is it, are they credible? Without the above, the truth is, you're just letting your prejudices run wild upon your keyboard. No need 'to prove' or provide links. All been discussed to death with plenty of details and confirmations many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Baerboxer said: Boring trolling - yet again. Let's pretend Thaksin has never ever done anything wrong, never ever lied and is as honest as the day is long! Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean it is true. So come on buddy, attach a link or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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