Pheu Thai will ban military conscription if voted in

[holy cow cm]

1 hour ago, pornprong said:

The difference is in Thailand young conscripts either end up as housemaids for Generals wives or beaten to death.

(Not to mention the huge waste of state funds spent on maintaining such a large standing force in a country not even remotely under threat from anyone anywhere).

 

Ending conscription save lives, save funds and weakens the military's ability to conduct coups.

Win, win, win.

I read 20% of conscripts are sent to the officers private homes for slavery

[baboon]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

 

I have seen the selfie and it is only 6 1/4 really.

As Mrs baboon once said, 'Size is not important but visible would be nice...'

[tubby johnson]

Populist nonsense.

 

Pheua Thai will never carry out this promise.

[pornprong]

4 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Read it again, there's no confusion whatever. 

Approve the building of a hospital, therefore create a budget (money), get into collusion to overprice the construction or whatever, corruption, noses in troughs.

So the worse case scenario is instead of submarines Thailand has hospitals and instead of Generals pockets being lines, elected politicians pockets get lined (the big difference in this bit is that the politicians will be getting scrutinised by a hostile set of institutions such as the NACC and the courts as well as being subject to increased media scrutiny whilst the Generals are completely absolved of all forms and methods of observation and oversight...... politicians will likely be caught and exposed whilst the Generals will most definitely not be).

 

Geez, it is getting really hard to defend the Junta isn't it old mate.

Damn near impossible if you need to provide evidence for your accusations.

 

[holy cow cm]

9 minutes ago, DavisH said:

My point is they need to do it while at school, which hinders their learning opportunities if they want to study high school in another country, and then return. 

There is a bi-law that states for education they can get an extension for University til graduation before having to pick the lottery colors. But, they have to come back and pick or they will be draft dodgers. 

[pornprong]

1 minute ago, tubby johnson said:

Populist nonsense.

 

Pheua Thai will never carry out this promise.

Why would they not?

It weakens their enemies.

It wins them votes.

It frees up money to spend on policies that will win them more votes.

It improves the quality of lives for millions of Thais.

It reduces the number of recruits beaten to death.

 

The only nonsense here is the continued underestimation of Thaksin by the Junta and the numpties who adore them.

[billd766]

22 minutes ago, DavisH said:

My point is they need to do it while at school, which hinders their learning opportunities if they want to study high school in another country, and then return. 

 

I am a little concerned as my son is 14 and in M2. I am not sure whether to advise him to choose that option or not.

[billd766]

19 minutes ago, baboon said:

As Mrs baboon once said, 'Size is not important but visible would be nice...'

 

Working is better still.

 

I wish mine would.

[lemonjelly]

Ultimately, it’s all going to end up in another coup d’etat.


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[pornprong]

2 minutes ago, lemonjelly said:

Ultimately, it’s all going to end up in another coup d’etat.

I'd be more inclined to believe that the current coup will be the last.

Even the laughingly misnamed Democrats are on the side of democracy now.

[baboon]

2 hours ago, Mexlark said:

So we do pretty much all agree. The junta Is also part of this montrosity. Let's relabel it as kleptocracy; although cluster**** is probably a better term

 

 

 

Being the classy and right well educated guy I am, I am going with 'kakistocracy'...

[holy cow cm]

11 minutes ago, tubby johnson said:

Populist nonsense.

 

Pheua Thai will never carry out this promise.

They don't have to and it doesn't really matter as the military controls too much. But all Thai men think they are free and it is not the case. Under the older law, ALL the conscripts and ALL the Ror Dor kids who finished are still military personal (reserve) until 23 years have passed. So before if this is grandfathered all the military has to do is just call everyone into service for that period for the next 23 years when put on reserve. So, just say if you are at your 22nd year and almost free, they can call you in to serve. Average age would be from 41(18+ 23) - 44 (21+23). Now, if it is the newer law in true effect, then they reserve your life from 18-40 years old. so if Pheua Thai does away with it, it doesn't matter one bit except for the new kids!

For FYI: Article from Feb 2016. The junta passed a new bill called the Reserved Forces Act. The junta-appointed legislature passed the bill with four abstentions. Other than an online petition, there was no outcry of debate. Under the new law, 12 million male citizens aged between 18 and 40 are subject to a random draft for two months military training regardless of their past duty. The annual drafting number would be 300,000, 2.5% of the target citizens.

[holy cow cm]

46 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

I am a little concerned as my son is 14 and in M2. I am not sure whether to advise him to choose that option or not.

Tough call. Before there was never any second thought. Mine I thought was safe until I just read up on it after going with him a couple months ago as he had to sign his new allegiance for his last M6 year. Basically a re-sign in and his name now goes into the reserve system to be plucked. So yes, no freedom for approx. Another 20-23 years under the clause. Everything has changed now, and if ole Fat Head goes farther then this country is in for a real surprise as it will really outwardly be turned into a military country if nothing is done about it. Already is, but it is under the scenes. My son and all the others as example.

[Eric Loh]

42 minutes ago, tubby johnson said:

Populist nonsense.

 

Pheua Thai will never carry out this promise.

It is populist when most agree that the conscription must be repealed and abolished. But there again, can they get the senate house filled with junta surrogates to agree. Still Pheu Thai will win the moral high ground and popular support by suggesting that. Really win win for them. Ain’t they brilliant. 

[greenchair]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

I was in the RAF for 25 years and I never fired a shot in anger either so what difference does that make?

 

If your M4-6 boys have done their 3 years they are exempt conscription anyway.

They are on reserve for 20 years. 

They can be called up at anytime to overthrow any elected government .

Whether they approve of that government or not! 

I never wanted to admit it in the past. The Thais always told me. 

The military rules thailand. Nothing happens without their say so. 

[DrTuner]

Going for the junta's jugular, eh? Will be interesting to see how they retaliate.

[chainarong]

Conscription isn't required, however it was regarded a great  honor to represent the King in days of old , how that is viewed these days is anybody's guess, even though the military try their best to oblige, the age limit interferes with UNI education, as not all areas conscripts sent to have the same courses, resulting a dropping of courses and believe it or not most commanders I have known over the thirty five years associated with Thailand,  they don't want people there who don't want to be there, mostly this is a ancient tradition to the crown.   

[tomta]

1 hour ago, pornprong said:

Why would they not?

It weakens their enemies.

It wins them votes.

It frees up money to spend on policies that will win them more votes.

It improves the quality of lives for millions of Thais.

It reduces the number of recruits beaten to death.

 

The only nonsense here is the continued underestimation of Thaksin by the Junta and the numpties who adore them.

Yes. For these reasons, it is my hope (perhaps over-optimistically) that the election becomes a referendum on conscription r not. It means the military have to defend slaves and dead recruits versus freedom and expanded possibilities for the cannon fodder. In other words between the past and the future. The other  parties will have to declare a position. Obvious which way the junta's proxies will go, Future Forward will endorse non-conscription with bells and  ribbons on. Which way will the Democrats go? Some wishy washy, in between  I guess

[Bob12345]

3 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Not quite correct:

 

- Prasert Prasarttong-Osoth - owns 10% of the shares.

 

 

 

Oh oh, I feel the next big accounting scandal coming up, as their annual report over 2017 indicates he owns 18.81% together with his wife, and his family owns a total of 23.81%. Plus another 7.29% through Bangkok Airways. Thats a nice 31%.

 

Oh, and the top 10 shareholders are also listed in the annual report, with the "Bank of New York Mellon" having 1.34%. See page 79 of the 2017 annual report.

That means all other individuals and companies not mentioned have 1.34% or less, otherwise they would be in this list.

A total of 62% of all outstanding shares is accounted for in this list, and as the shares are traded on the stockmarket I wonder how it would be possible for another person to be a major shareholder in this group and still having enough shares available to facilitate daily trading on the stock exchange.

 

Now I am curious what your source is that has totally different numbers.

[Enoon]

9 hours ago, Eligius said:

the militaristic Powers That Be will become apoplectic and pull every trick in the book to block Pheua Thai's inevitable march to victory

 

An act which, in itself, will change the game and push the conflict towards the next level.

 

There is no escaping Tragedy.

 

That is the nature of it.

 

 

[pornprong]

5 minutes ago, Bob12345 said:

Oh oh, I feel the next big accounting scandal coming up, as their annual report over 2017 indicates he owns 18.81% together with his wife, and his family owns a total of 23.81%. Plus another 7.29% through Bangkok Airways. Thats a nice 31%.

 

Oh, and the top 10 shareholders are also listed in the annual report, with the "Bank of New York Mellon" having 1.34%. See page 79 of the 2017 annual report.

That means all other individuals and companies not mentioned have 1.34% or less, otherwise they would be in this list.

A total of 62% of all outstanding shares is accounted for in this list, and as the shares are traded on the stockmarket I wonder how it would be possible for another person to be a major shareholder in this group and still having enough shares available to facilitate daily trading on the stock exchange.

 

Now I am curious what your source is that has totally different numbers.

Stop with all the research, Thaksin is the devil and as Scorecard has stated time and time again, it's all been talked about on Thai Visa many, many times before.............why can't you just take his word for it?

Since when is a SET sanctioned Annual Report of a listed company more trustworthy than the rantings of a Junta loving Thai Visa poster with the grand ranking of Star Member?

[scorecard]

2 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Stop with all the research, Thaksin is the devil and as Scorecard has stated time and time again, it's all been talked about on Thai Visa many, many times before.............why can't you just take his word for it?

Since when is a SET sanctioned Annual Report of a listed company more trustworthy than the rantings of a Junta loving Thai Visa poster with the grand ranking of Star Member?

1. 'why can't you just take his word for it'? I never asked anybody to take my word for it, up to al readers to make up their own mind.  Your convenient twisting is unethical.

2. Junta lover - again you ignore many posts. Your convenient twisting is unethical.

 

[scorecard]

16 minutes ago, Bob12345 said:

Oh oh, I feel the next big accounting scandal coming up, as their annual report over 2017 indicates he owns 18.81% together with his wife, and his family owns a total of 23.81%. Plus another 7.29% through Bangkok Airways. Thats a nice 31%.

 

Oh, and the top 10 shareholders are also listed in the annual report, with the "Bank of New York Mellon" having 1.34%. See page 79 of the 2017 annual report.

That means all other individuals and companies not mentioned have 1.34% or less, otherwise they would be in this list.

A total of 62% of all outstanding shares is accounted for in this list, and as the shares are traded on the stockmarket I wonder how it would be possible for another person to be a major shareholder in this group and still having enough shares available to facilitate daily trading on the stock exchange.

 

Now I am curious what your source is that has totally different numbers.

 

Google - shareholding bangkok airways

 

 

[Bob12345]

11 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Google - shareholding bangkok airways

 

 

Per Sep 9, 2016, he owns 25% of bkk airways, and the rest of his family another 35%. See the annual report of 2016 (didnt look at the 2017 yet).

 

Now you google how to make banana cake with a chocolate swirl.

 

Instead of you telling me what to look for, why dont you just make your point and give your sources?

 

My point is, and how the discussion started, someone stated Taksin owns a hospital group in Thailand. That appears to be untrue if that person was referring to BDMS. 

 

What is the point you are trying to make?

[brucec64]

7 hours ago, Nickymaster said:

How about returning the billions the Shinawatra clan stole and build hospitals from that money? Will get your much further (and trow in an ipad for all)

Yawn....

[Wilsonandson]

Conscription isn't required, however it was regarded a great  honor to represent the King in days of old , how that is viewed these days is anybody's guess, even though the military try their best to oblige, the age limit interferes with UNI education, as not all areas conscripts sent to have the same courses, resulting a dropping of courses and believe it or not most commanders I have known over the thirty five years associated with Thailand,  they don't want people there who don't want to be there, mostly this is a ancient tradition to the crown.   

Oh dear, I don't like where this post is going. You're not saying that those who oppose to national service and submarines are traitors are you?

And I thought the red and yellow shirts thing was over. How wrong I am it's just the beginning of something terrible.

How long until the fires are lit again in Bangkok and shopping malls are reduced to burnt embers.

A class war looms in the shadows of divided Thailand.

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[stud858]

North and South Thailand. Like Korea and Ireland. Best solution imo

 

[kevvy]

My wife and some of her friends are so excited about voting now in the election. The reason is that they all have children coming to age for Conscription . What a great policy this is , and to sell submarines for buildings new hospitals is great . I might get lucky tonight ....

[JAG]

58 minutes ago, kevvy said:

My wife and some of her friends are so excited about voting now in the election. The reason is that they all have children coming to age for Conscription . What a great policy this is , and to sell submarines for buildings new hospitals is great . I might get lucky tonight ....

You live up here in the frozen North don't you Kevvy? Don't get too worked up about your wife being able to vote - last time the Thais went to the polls (the constitutional referendum) there simply weren't any polling stations in this neck of the woods - so no one in the amphur got to vote.

[KhunFred]

A very good platform. Thailand has no reason to draft soldiers. No threats on any of their borders. No foreign commitments, so no rational reason except to prove that the elite rule.