MrPatrickThai Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Joe Mcseismic said: So, you don't agree with taking methadone to help heroine addicts, Methadone does not help heroin addicts, it helps the society. Heroin addicts should quit cold turkey if they are serious about quitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Mcseismic Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said: Methadone does not help heroin addicts, it helps the society. Heroin addicts should quit cold turkey if they are serious about quitting. Maybe you should educate yourself as you seem to be quite ignorant on the subject of addiction. Here's some reading for you, if you can be bothered. https://axisresidentialtreatment.com/methadone-addiction/why/ https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-methadone-4137755 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPatrickThai Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said: Maybe you should educate yourself as you seem to be quite ignorant on the subject of addiction. Here's some reading for you, if you can be bothered. https://axisresidentialtreatment.com/methadone-addiction/why/ https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-methadone-4137755 I can't be bothered, I know from experience. Have you ever tried quitting methadone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Mcseismic Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said: I can't be bothered, I know from experience. Have you ever tried quitting methadone? Nope, but I would rather believe doctors and medical science over a complete stranger on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPatrickThai Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said: Nope, but I would rather believe doctors and medical science over a complete stranger on the internet. That's a mistake many make regarding alcohol, doctors just can't help and in the most part are ignorant about alcoholism. I have friends that have been on methadone for over 20 years, so sad as they can't remember anything about their lives, being in a permanent zombie-state. I also know a few that quit cold turkey, like me and worked a spiritual program to have a great and meaningful life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Mcseismic Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said: That's a mistake many make regarding alcohol, doctors just can't help and in the most part are ignorant about alcoholism. I have friends that have been on methadone for over 20 years, so sad as they can't remember anything about their lives, being in a permanent zombie-state. I also know a few that quit cold turkey, like me and worked a spiritual program to have a great and meaningful life. You quit what cold turkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPatrickThai Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said: You quit what cold turkey? I've quit many things cold turkey, including heroin and methadone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Mcseismic Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 minute ago, MrPatrickThai said: I've quit many things cold turkey, including heroin and methadone. Maybe what is good for you isn't good for others....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPatrickThai Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Joe Mcseismic said: Maybe what is good for you isn't good for others....... True, but I have tried to quit using methadone and relapsed. I have friends who are stuck on methadone. I have been to many NA meetings and heard similar stories. Trust me here, methadone is bad news, it's the worst drug to withdraw from. Actually, I'd say that more people have died from withdrawal of methadone than heroin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fvw53 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 I learned a lot from : https://benzo.org.uk/manual/index.htm and https://www.benzo.org.uk/bzequiv.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 10/6/2018 at 4:07 PM, fvw53 said: I learned a lot from : https://benzo.org.uk/manual/index.htm and https://www.benzo.org.uk/bzequiv.htm Yes, Dr. Heather Ashton was the leading authority a few years back. That site plus the yahoo group really helped me. Stay away from benzodiazepines !!!!##! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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