Time to rethink prostitution ban, say experts

[atyclb]

18 minutes ago, micmichd said:

2 hours ago, atyclb said:

in thailand a high % of girls that you are dating expect to be compensated.   its a cultural thing

A high % of Thai girls I dated actually worked, and while dating me they couldn't work anywhere else. So what if they want compensation for the time?

 

 

worked as what ?

[NoshowJones]

10 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

legalization would certainly diminish the possibility of extortion by corrupt officials.

Are the corrupt officials not also the same ones who make the laws?

[micmichd]

9 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

 

worked as what ?

As shopkeepers, as housewives, as clerks, as students, as bar girls, as massage girls - whatever their job is. In a labour society it's the time that counts. 

[NoshowJones]

4 hours ago, Expatthailover said:

Thailand and prostitution only have the dubious reputation because of dirty old western men.

It is ironic on here that so many moralise and bleat about it.

It is nobody else's business what anyone does with their body as long as it is between consenting adults and no underage sex is involved.

[55Jay]

Running a bar girl/lady boy stable has got to be a pain in the neck.  Dealing with their drama, leaving without notice, finding new ones, etc.

 

Ought to go straight free lance.  If you've got a good bar, the girls will want to work it, so you charge THEM a modest entrance fee for the night.  They hang out, drink, eat, and if they score a willing customer, all good for them.   You get to know them.  If they cause a problem, don't have to fire them, no drama, just bar them from entry.

[micmichd]

15 minutes ago, 55Jay said:

Running a bar girl/lady boy stable has got to be a pain in the neck.  Dealing with their drama, leaving without notice, finding new ones, etc.

 

Ought to go straight free lance.  If you've got a good bar, the girls will want to work it, so you charge THEM a modest entrance fee for the night.  They hang out, drink, eat, and if they score a willing customer, all good for them.   You get to know them.  If they cause a problem, don't have to fire them, no drama, just bar them from entry.

And then it ends up in a sex workers' collective, like this one: 

http://www.empowerfoundation.org/barcando_en.html 

And Farangs cry "conspiracy - they've got a union!"

[thaimelody]

Not that I participate in the market but what a horrifically oppressive law Thailand follows: you can buy it, but you can't sell it. How does that work? Putting aside the smaller market of women procuring sex, it would appear that men are left unpunished but the women aren't. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding this problematic 

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, smotherb said:

You mean 90% of the Thai girls you know are prostitutes.

So in UK a girl you meet on a night out wants to go for a nice meal and a bottle of wine before jumping in the sack with you is a 'you fill in the blank'

Prostitution is 'here's 50 quid, let's go to bed.'

The big difference out 'here' and what causes confusion in many expat minds is 'here' it's a combination of both sets of circumstances. 

Bar girls here are much better at being the 'girlfriend' compared to the western idea of pay for play.

Anyway, it shouldn't be illegal.

[gbswales]

"are sustained by corrupt law enforcement officials. "

 

Changing laws about prostitution, or anything else, is pointless unless you first fix the corruption.  Everything else is a waste of time and effort!

[Sir Dude]

Prostitution is no big deal...been around since the beginning of the human race before there even were laws in one form or another. There is certainly demand (locals massively outweigh foreigners/tourists in this department), so legalize it, with giving the women benefits/health care etc. as most of them are providing for their families in a society that refuses to give these people options. The only problem here is with the religious puritanical killjoy fascists (who are in the minority that want some deluded oppressive society) plus the corrupt who make too much from the misery of others. If you want to give these women a choice then change your discriminatory culture that condemns anyone without a degree or status to poverty oblivion. If these girls had a choice then many would not take this route.

[Destiny1990]

2 hours ago, dotpoom said:

So who do you sell it to if it's illegal to buy it?

Horny men?

[0815]

Legalise it, keep an eye on those who run a "prostitution business" and lock them up if they make sh*t with the girls, give the girls free medical check ups.
Maybe I am dreaming...

[hugocnx]

Butter can be a lubricant, why do so many so called officials put it on their heads?

[ttrd]

11 hours ago, notmyself said:

If a lady refuses money then I walk away because she has obviously been bought already... sold out.

...or she is after more than a few thousands thb - far more down the road, actually everything you own....

[notmyself]

3 minutes ago, ttrd said:

...or she is after more than a few thousands thb - far more down the road, actually everything you own....

 

Yep... either way she is obviously corrupt. 

[brewsterbudgen]

 
It's the only thing that ever works.  Making prostitution illegal makes it dangerous for everyone and pointlessly so.  Someone please tell me the harm between consenting adults if money exchanges hands?  IN places where it's legal, such as Germany, it's safe, clean and cheap for all concerned.  Stupid morality laws.... 
 

Which is why Thailand has it about right as things stand now. "Entertainment" places like bars, gogos and soapies are regulated and customers can find girls/boys in such places to take home and, should they both agree, have financially compensated sex. All legal.

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[micmichd]

11 minutes ago, ttrd said:

...or she is after more than a few thousands thb - far more down the road, actually everything you own....

So what? She might have a baby to feed, a family to care for.

There's quite a few Farangs that promise a rose garden to Thai ladies - actually everything they own. But then in the end it comes out that they actually own nothing at all.

[wvavin]

It is absolutely the Ostrich Syndrome in this country!

[ttrd]

8 minutes ago, micmichd said:

So what? She might have a baby to feed, a family to care for.

There's quite a few Farangs that promise a rose garden to Thai ladies - actually everything they own. But then in the end it comes out that they actually own nothing at all.

RE - ...or she is after more than a few thousands thb - far more down the road, actually everything you own...

It seems that you failed to catch this point - It was not about his promise it was all about her plan...

 

RE - But then in the end it comes out that they actually own nothing at all.

If someone promise to give everything they own and they dont own anything they have in reality given 100% of what was possible to give....

[micmichd]

3 hours ago, Deli said:

Are they really poor or more likely damn lazy ??
Too many job vacancies remain uncovered, as people obviously often prefer their daughters in the trade than moving their arse.

Have you ever been in an Issan rice field at noon? 

Most bar girls come from there. It's like hell if you have to work there for as little as a minimum wage (or even less) or your life long. I have deep empathy for everyone that tries to get out, especially when they want a better life for their kids. 

[balo]

In the distant future all men are not allowed to have sexual activities , except masturbating  twice per week watching vintage  porn.  Sex robots are allowed. And kids will be made in the labs. 

[thailand49]

I reject all the numbers I believe the BIB when they declared Walking Street free of prostitutes last month!?

[baansgr]

4 hours ago, smotherb said:

Thailand’s population is approximately 69 million.  However, only about 60%, or 42 million, are between the ages of 15 and 54 years of age (https://www.indexmundi.com/thailand/age_structure.html)

 

Granted, there are some prostitutes under 15 and some over 54. However, let’s call it even since those outliers are likely surpassed by fewer prostitutes over 40?

 

So, your 12 million guesstimate would mean about 29% of Thais are prostitutes. That means more than one in four Thais are prostitutes.

 

yep,  that was the calculations.

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, balo said:

In the distant future all men are not allowed to have sexual activities , except masturbating  twice per week watching vintage  porn.  Sex robots are allowed. And kids will be made in the labs. 

I can assure you that that will not happen in the future .

I dont know why you post such nonsense

[brewsterbudgen]

I reject all the numbers I believe the BIB when they declared Walking Street free of prostitutes last month![emoji848]

They didn't declare that. They said there was no prostitution going on in the bars they visited.



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[Jip99]

6 minutes ago, balo said:

In the distant future all men are not allowed to have sexual activities , except masturbating  twice per week watching vintage  porn.  Sex robots are allowed. And kids will be made in the labs. 

 

 

 

 

I know people who's lives are like that now......................minus the sex robots...

[smotherb]

2 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

nope, lots of them even university grads commonly look for financial assistance.  either want to borrow money soon or just free cash.  many with normal day jobs that moonlight at nightclubs.  i knew a lawyer that moonlighted at nightclubs when she wanted to buy a car. she was selecive, not anyone but still the game was the same.

 

not 100% but very common.

 

it gets better in higher levels of society or sometimes the higher level gals just look for higher amounts of money.

I think you must have been hanging around with women who  expect to be compensated.

[Small Joke]

4 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

If we make buying sex illegal, we make them consider: ‘Is it worth it if I have to pay for the sex and offend the law? going on holiday to a country where I get fined for buying sex or smoking on the beach and  pay twice as much for a bottle of wine as I did last year'.

 

Answers on a postcard, please. First prize is a massage - with no happy ending, obviously. 

Am I the first non-German expat to go on holiday in Germany because  a big boys holiday there compares favourably with one here? No hidden costs,  no scams,  no stupid barfines,  every cost comes with a defined benefit, such as the FKK entry fee - all u can drink/eat, nude pool in summer, secure locker,  towels, slippers,  soap etc, And beyond the clubs, good cheap booze everywhere, and can enjoy a bit of libido enhancing  herb without dramas.  (buy brownies in Holland to enjoy at the splendid FKK clubs.)

[ttrd]

28 minutes ago, balo said:

In the distant future all men are not allowed to have sexual activities , except masturbating  twice per week watching vintage  porn.  Sex robots are allowed. And kids will be made in the labs. 

Yes, it seem to take this direction in the distant future, but when it comes to Thailand in the present and what direction they should/can/must choose - such decision will be based on a economical view as the country are depending on the tourism and a huge part of it is sex tourism without discussion. So to copy another country that are not depending on that will most likely fail.

 

Thailands economy as per today are highly depending on the sex industry so to be able to change that they cant just remove it without having something to replace it with which they per today do not seem to have...

 

They rather need to find another untraditional, but controlled way to deal with the sex industry that will not kill the tourism. It is with prostitution as for the weather - you can in a way protect yourself from it and in a way controll it, but you will never be able to stop it...

 

[Fairynuff]

Prostitution? What prostitution?