utalkin2me Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, BritManToo said: I don't think learning the local language is expected of many foreigners staying anywhere on a 90 day permit (or less). I live here and i do not learn any thai. I know how to say like two things. Thank you and mai owe nang krap, which is how i order my chicken. Thats all i need. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthaifrench Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 i am not very well english,but i can tell you thailand is not cheap anymore if you like good food and wine and a good health care insurance. 60 years old and more cost you around 10,000 baht a month for 4,000,000 insurance coverage for a good one in and out patient,wine 3 bottle a week,9000 a month,not the crap one,food montly 1 person who like beef and cheese and sausage and other good food and 1 or 2 good restaurant a week,at least 12 to 15,000 baht a month.Only for that food wine and health care it cost around 33,000 already,a rented house 15,000 at minimum70,000 is a minimum for a good life here alone,more if you take care somebody or a familySure you can live here with 45,000 a month without many good thing in your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said: Why couldn't you make it better in Thailand? Oh pullleeezeee, making it is more like making it in Hong Kong, Shanghai, Singapore or Tokyo. Why would one bother ? Unlike Thailand, skilled expats are hired with greater regularity and with less fanfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, marcusarelus said: The big similarity between Philippines and Thailand is the Thai women want to stay in Thailand and so do Philippine women. Since my wife and all her family live in Thailand are you saying they are Chavs? Or me? I don't drink, smoke or live in the UK? I'm saying that the quality of tourists visiting Thailand is low in terms of the way they look, speak, spend and behave. Likewise the Philippines. This was not the case 40 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utalkin2me Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, freebyrd said: I worked for a hotel chain in Thailand, the first thing I did was to go to school to learn the language. The MD who circa 1995 had been in Thailand 25 years, couldn't speak any Thai. Believe me, I know from personal experience. The people that live here for long lengths of time and know no thai do not likr talking to people. They may like oogling women and eating 200 dollar meals for 50 bucks... but they do not likr talkimg to other people. This is like heaven to them, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebyrd Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, utalkin2me said: Believe me, I know from personal experience. The people that live here for long lengths of time and know no thai do not likr talking to people. They may like oogling women and eating 200 dollar meals for 50 bucks... but they do not likr talkimg to other people. This is like heaven to them, haha. Part of the fun for me was talking to Thai people and they were often really surprised when you asked where they were from and about their family. Now when I go to BKK I rarely speak Thai unless it's absolutely necessary. Where once people smiled at you when you spoke Thai, now most often they scowl. The world is a changing place and not for the better IMO. I'm glad I'm on the back nine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebyrd Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, utalkin2me said: I bet Thailand was awesome back then. I got here too late for many things, but just in time for others. There was a time for me when it was THE place to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Learning the language was a waste of time. Any one I'd want to converse with can speak English. Only proper use I know is trying to get laid cheap with the sideline students. Better learn mandarin, they'll be obliged to speak it in a few years anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, freebyrd said: Part of the fun for me was talking to Thai people and they were often really surprised when you asked where they were from and about their family. Now when I go to BKK I rarely speak Thai unless it's absolutely necessary. Where once people smiled at you when you spoke Thai, now most often they scowl. The world is a changing place and not for the better IMO. I'm glad I'm on the back nine. You can pay 800 baht at my hospital for an interpreter or speak Thai. I speak Thai every day. I think you are behind the times. Or out of time. Something. But not reflective of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebyrd Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, DrTuner said: Learning the language was a waste of time. Any one I'd want to converse with can speak English. Only proper use I know is trying to get laid cheap with the sideline students. Better learn mandarin, they'll be obliged to speak it in a few years anyway. You must be restricted then as the standard of English in Thailand is terrible. That said I met some really interesting people who didn't speak English, country folk around Korat on my long bike rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, DrTuner said: Learning the language was a waste of time. Any one I'd want to converse with can speak English. Only proper use I know is trying to get laid cheap with the sideline students. Better learn mandarin, they'll be obliged to speak it in a few years anyway. God forbid you end up in the hospital with a life threatening condition. Happened to me a couple of weeks ago. Glad I spoke Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebyrd Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, marcusarelus said: You can pay 800 baht at my hospital for an interpreter or speak Thai. I speak Thai every day. I think you are behind the times. Or out of time. Something. But not reflective of reality. But not reflective of reality - amazing how people like you think you can see inside my head ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, DrTuner said: Learning the language was a waste of time. Any one I'd want to converse with can speak English. Only proper use I know is trying to get laid cheap with the sideline students. Better learn mandarin, they'll be obliged to speak it in a few years anyway. Cambodia turns out lots of Mandarin speakers every year, and English is embraced too. Many from Loas can speak too. Yangoon has a large Mandarin population as does the Thai border region in the far south. Bhasa will be second to Mandarin. Thai will not even be in the second tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, freebyrd said: But not reflective of reality - amazing how people like you think you can see inside my head ?. You wrote, "Now when I go to BKK I rarely speak Thai unless it's absolutely necessary. Where once people smiled at you when you spoke Thai, now most often they scowl." Simply not true. Nothing to do with the inside of your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, marcusarelus said: God forbid you end up in the hospital with a life threatening condition. Happened to me a couple of weeks ago. Glad I spoke Thai. I do speak basic Thai. That's how I know it's not worth the trouble. Somchais you can drink laukhao with and speak ancient Urdu and all will be good, nobody cares. Educated people who are even moderately interesting can speak English. That's how they learned their capability to hold a conversation beyond the kinkhaoyaang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebyrd Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said: God forbid you end up in the hospital with a life threatening condition. Happened to me a couple of weeks ago. Glad I spoke Thai. I still speak Thai to a high standard but wouldn't profess to be fluent - are you? i wouldn't want to be in a life threatening situation using a second language. The best foreign Thai speaker I ever met lost 4 fingers at work because of a misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebyrd Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, marcusarelus said: You wrote, "Now when I go to BKK I rarely speak Thai unless it's absolutely necessary. Where once people smiled at you when you spoke Thai, now most often they scowl." Simply not true. Nothing to do with the inside of your head. You arrogance is astounding! How can you tell me things I experience first hand are not true? How long have you been in TL, I'm curious as it may explain the second sight you seem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, DrTuner said: I do speak basic Thai. That's how I know it's not worth the trouble. Somchais you can drink laukhao with and speak ancient Urdu and all will be good, nobody cares. Educated people who are even moderately interesting can speak English. That's how they learned their capability to hold a conversation beyond the kinkhaoyaang. Nonsense. I taught Thai doctors how to converse in colloquial English for ease of communication when they were hired at the expensive international hospital. They were all interesting people especially the lady endocrinologist. You are just a anti person with little familiarity with Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, freebyrd said: You arrogance is astounding! How can you tell me things I experience first hand are not true? How long have you been in TL, I'm curious as it may explain the second sight you seem to have. I got here in 1968. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said: I got here in 1968. Explains it. Old people find trivial things interesting. Enjoy your twilight years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebyrd Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, marcusarelus said: I got here in 1968. Even though I find that hard to believe, it doesn't mean you can see into the personal experiences I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, DrTuner said: Explains it. Old people find trivial things interesting. Enjoy your twilight years. I am that's why I came to Thailand. Learning another language helps one avert the onset of geriatric mental problems and helps when meeting new young women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosst Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 I don't see immigration as a criteria, Thailand would be a fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, freebyrd said: Even though I find that hard to believe, it doesn't mean you can see into the personal experiences I have. Didn't say I could. I know a lot of expats and Thai people (except scammers) all appreciate them speaking Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, rosst said: I don't see immigration as a criteria, Thailand would be a fail I spend 5 minutes a year and 1900 baht a year at Immigration. Can you tell me a country where it is less painful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebyrd Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, marcusarelus said: Didn't say I could. I know a lot of expats and Thai people (except scammers) all appreciate them speaking Thai. As I've said already, one man's meat..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebyrd Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, marcusarelus said: I spend 5 minutes a year and 1900 baht a year at Immigration. Can you tell me a country where it is less painful? Cambodia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, freebyrd said: As I've said already, one man's meat..... Trying to convince a Thai expat not to learn is just mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebyrd Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, marcusarelus said: Trying to convince a Thai expat not to learn is just mean. A pointless comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, freebyrd said: Cambodia. I believe a Cambodian 1 year retirement visa is 9900 baht as opposed to Thailand 1900 baht and requires an agent where the Thai visa is self serve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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