Sweden faces political deadlock after far-right gains

[melvinmelvin]

 

As has been said above, earlier this week the Speaker gave Mr Kristersson, the leader of the largest conservative party (M),

the mandate to try and put together a working government.

 

Mr Lofveen, the leader of the largest red party (S), has made it very clear that they will not assist in forming

a conservative government.

 

(Mr Akesson, the leader of the Sweden Democrats (SD) has proclaimed the same.)

 

Mr Kristersson and Mr Lofveen met for talks on Thursday this week.

(As far as I understand it is customary in Sweden that nothing ever leaks from such talks, so what went on is anybody's guess.)

 

As said before, the popular Ms Loof, the head of the conservative Centre (C) party has aired the possibility

of she being willing to form a government with Mr Lofveen.

 

On the other hand the leader of the conservative party (L), Liberal, has started to talk about new elections.

Assumably that is a signal that he is not willing to move in direction of red, S.

 

[melvinmelvin]

 

There are no formal time limits for these talks, could take forever.

However, they need to agree on a budget for next year before 1st of January though.

The Speaker has 4 goes at voting in a new PM, if the 4th go fails it will automatically

be new elections.

 

It has never happened before in Sweden that the Speaker's first go has failed.

We will see, as of today it does not look promising.

 

VOTING (for PM):

A bit different from what we are used with.

The PM proposal is carried provided not more than half the votes says NO.

YES votes don't count.

[melvinmelvin]

 

Tomorrow afternoon Mr Kristersson, the leader of the largest conservative party (M) in Sweden,

will meet with the Speaker to report on his endeavours re building a government.

 

It is so far not clear whether there will be a press conference following the meeting.

[melvinmelvin]

 

Today the Speaker was informed that Mr Kristersson (head of the largest conservative party) had given up on building

a large coalition government with the largest red party.

The S part apparently flatly refuses any kind of cooperation with the conservative party.

 

Mr Kristersson is now, again, turning to the smaller parties in the blue block trying to convince them to accept

some kind of coop with the SD (Sweden Democrats) in order to build a conservative government.

We will see how that will work out.

Ms Loof, leader of the blue Centre party has already aired the possibilities of shifting left and building a government with the Social Democrats.

The leader of the blue Liberal party talks about new elections,  not keen on SD coop.

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

couple of personal remarks,

 

SD is supported by roughly 20% of the electorate, a significant slice.

Many consider SD as a pure fascist party.

Nevertheless, 20% is a lot.

Is it sustainable and wise in the long run to completely ignore 20% of the electorate

 

I think this situation is more difficult in Sweden than in a number of other countries.

Why

Swedes are not known to be flexible and pragmatic in situations like these, tend to stick hard to principles.

 

 

[bristolboy]

9 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

couple of personal remarks,

 

SD is supported by roughly 20% of the electorate, a significant slice.

Many consider SD as a pure fascist party.

Nevertheless, 20% is a lot.

Is it sustainable and wise in the long run to completely ignore 20% of the electorate

 

I think this situation is more difficult in Sweden than in a number of other countries.

Why

Swedes are not known to be flexible and pragmatic in situations like these, tend to stick hard to principles.

 

 

Just to be clear, the Sweden Democrates got 17.53% of the vote. So that's an extremely rough 20%. Why the rounding by 5's? 

[melvinmelvin]

11 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Just to be clear, the Sweden Democrates got 17.53% of the vote. So that's an extremely rough 20%. Why the rounding by 5's? 

 

rough indeed,  I didn't check the election results, which I should have done, I just copied what I see in Swedish and Norwegian newspapers. There the figure 20% is used, not infrequently.

 

[melvinmelvin]

Yesterday, Mr Kristersson, leader of the largest conservative party met with the other conservative leaders,

I would assume in order to test the waters re coop with SD in one way or the other.

 

Here are the blue gang leaders>

 

 

left

Ms Thor leader of KD Christian Democrats

Mr Kristersson leader of M Moderates, the largest blue party

Ms Loof leader of C Centre Party

Mr Bjorklund leader of L Liberal Party

 

[bristolboy]

15 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

rough indeed,  I didn't check the election results, which I should have done, I just copied what I see in Swedish and Norwegian newspapers. There the figure 20% is used, not infrequently.

 

That's because, as everyone knows, the MSM is in thrall to the anti-globalists and extreme nationalists.

[My Thai Life]

27 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

That's because, as everyone knows, the MSM is in thrall to the anti-globalists and extreme nationalists.

Really? Maybe in your country, not in mine.

[melvinmelvin]

 

The Swedish MSM Dagens Nyheter has several stories re building a government today, one idea more exotic than the other.

 

However, Mr Kristersson, the leader of the largest blue party, has today launched his plan.

Which is to build a minority government based on his M party. He refers to it as a 3-2-1 government, ie his M party + those conservative parties that decide to join in.

 

I can not find any mentioning of it so I assume that he has not formally informed the Speaker, yet.

Probably he wants to test the waters a bit through feedback from MSM and fellow MPs.

 

just to clarify,

it is Mr Kristersson that currently has the mandate from the Speaker to build a government.

 

[observer90210]

So what if it's deadlocked ?...as long as those Sverige busty, blonde hotties are still on the prawl at the bars !!

[roobaa01]

interesting the green swedish moral faschist party 4.9 % obtains an official mandate position of deputy house speaker, where the third largest part sd 18 % obtains none. i call this cartell party faschism.

 

wbr

roobaa01  

[melvinmelvin]

No lazy week-end for Swedish MPs. Hectic series of meetings and press conferences yesterday.

 

Ms Thor, the leader of, KD, the Christian Democrats, announced that KD is prepared to join the

so called 3-2-1 solution and build a conservative government.

 

The conservative party, L, Liberals met yesterday and firmed up their position re building a government.

The position was revealed at a press conference later, yesterday.

Mr Bjorklund, the party leader, announced that under the circumstances L is not prepared to vote for a conservative government.

 

Likewise Ms Loof, leader of the conservative, C, Centre party, announced that they are not prepared to vote for a conservative government.

 

Both Mr Bjorklund and Ms Loof have formally conveyed their stance to the Speaker.

They both expressed disappointment that it had not been possible to establish any cooperation

across the traditional blue-red border.

Hence, a conservative government would be a very weak government, a minority government,

that would not be effective and not good for the Country.

And with such a government it would be constant pressure for some kind of coop with SD, which is a NO NO for both L and C.

 

Ms Thor, KD, expressed disappointment over both C and L pulling out of the 3-2-1 effort.

 

[melvinmelvin]

 

What now?

 

Today at 1100 hours (Swedish time, 5 hours behind LoS) Mr Kristersson, M, will meet

with the Speaker and formally report on his efforts to build a government.

 

Following that Mr Kristersson, M, will call a press conference.

And later today the Speaker will hold a press conference, probably with a view to announcing his plans.

 

In a couple of MSMs it has been speculated (yesterday) that Mr Kristersson probably

will throw in the towel today rather than asking for more time.

Arranging a formal vote is considered pointless.

 

It is expected that the Speaker now will give the ball to Mr Lofven, S, the previous PM and

current caretaker PM.

 

[melvinmelvin]

Just looked at a video from yesterday, interview with Ms Thor, leader of the KD, Christian Democrats.

She expressed regret that the blue 3-2-1 project so far had failed to gain traction, and that C and L had pulled out.

She was VERY clear and firm when she said that her party would NOT support a red, S, government.

 

(Ms Thor is quite young, 31 years, was 28 when she was elected party leader,

 the KD party has increased its support base significantly since she became the leader,

 they say she is a formidable orator.

 

 She is not the ordinary A4 politician, on TV this spring during the election campaign

 she promised that if the blue block won majority she would celebrate by taking a bath, stark naked, in the fountain

 at Sergels Torg, which is how downtown it is possible to get in Stockholm.)

 

Now, it is expected that later today the Speaker will give Mr Lofven, S, the task of trying to build a government.

Mr Lofven is the current caretaker PM.

If so, that will be against the NO votes from KD and probably also from SD and M.

Now, looking at the numbers.

If, somehow, Mr Lofven, on behalf of the red block, manages to establish positive coop with C (31  MPs) and L (20 MPs)

they would actually have sufficient votes/MPs to form a majority government.

 

Time will show, presumably.

 

(re SD and M, both these parties were crystal clear that they would vote S and Mr Lofven down after the election,

 which they did.

 

 SD has expressed that it would vote against building a conservative government, they are pissed off 'cause the

 blues don't want to talk to SD.

 As far as I can remember neither of SD and M has said anything concrete about how they would vote re a

 new S based government.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

 

I have just watched a video from Mr Kristersson's, M,  press conference, quite short and to the point, no waffling.

 

As expected he has formally informed the Speaker that for now, he does not see the basis for him to build a government.

In plain speak; towel was thrown in.

His address didn't really impress me, but of course, the man is very very disappointed right now.

 

The Speaker did not kick the ball further today.

The Speaker will meet with all party leaders tomorrow morning.

[melvinmelvin]

 

Have watched a handful of videos today with Swedish Party leaders press conferences.

And have just now watched live the Speaker's press conference.

 

Am quite impressed by these press conferences, they are really high quality.

Journalists well behaved - no shouting - no cackling together.

Party leaders and Speaker very to the point - absolutely no political waffle.

 

The Speaker started off by explaining the formalities of the PM selection process,

this for the benefit of the audience at large.

I have a feeling that the Swedish process is kinda different from what is common in Europe, not sure though.

 

The Speaker informed that he now have given Mr Lofven, S, the mandate to try and build

a functional government. Mr Lofven is the previous PM and the current caretaker PM.

Mr Lofven has been given 2 weeks but will give a progress report after 1 week.

 

Later today the Speaker will meet with the head of state in order to keep him informed.

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

Currently, Mr Lofven (the current caretaker PM) has a mandate from the Speaker to try to build a government which would be acceptable to the national

assembly. He was given 2 weeks, those two weeks expires tomorrow.

Monday this week he gave an interim report to the speaker, full report due tomorrow.

 

Assumably he is trying to move Central and Liberal from the blue to the red block

in order to build a majority government.

He is obviously struggling since he needs/uses the whole of his 2 weeks.

 

Nothing leaks from these meetings, a solid lid on the talks, not even rumours around.

Not many politicians manage that but in Sweden they apparently do.

 

Among politicians and in MSM there is a growing view that if Mr Lofven reports failure tomorrow

the Speaker should pass the ball to Ms Loof and let her try for 2 weeks.

Ms Loof is the leader of the C, Centre party, the 2nd largest conservative party.

Some think she would have better chances than the previous two.

This because she is widely liked, both she and C party enjoys traction with both the red and the blue block.

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

 

 

The characters above; from left to right

Mr Akesson, leader of the far-right SD party

black man sitting, don't know

Ms Loof, leader of the Centre party, blue

Mr Bjorklund, leader of the Liberal party, blue

Mr Kristersson, leader of the Moderate party, the largest blue party

 

Now.

In Sweden as in many other countries, you have politics at, at least, 2 levels,

the national level and the local level.

The local level is different voters don't necessarily vote for the same parties.

You find cooperation locally that you would never find in the parliament.

 

At the local level in Sweden the degree of cooperation between SD and M is increasing,

the central party does not appreciate this and endeavours to stop it, apparently to no avail.

 

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

As far as I have gathered from Swedish MSM:

 

The KD, Christian Democrats, led by Ms Thor is ready to form a blue minority government with M.

 

Centre and Liberal have so far said no join such an effort. 

The reason given is that they do not want to be part of a weak government and constantly be under pressure

to try out coop with SD.

 

So far coop with SD is considered a big no-no at the national level.

 

M, Mr Kristersson has on occasions said that he might be willing to try and form a minority M government alone.

 

Within the Liberal party, there has been some development. As time flies an increasing number of members

argue that entering a minority blue government with C and M and KD might be tried.

 

It seems C is still not keen on this.

 

Within M and increasing number of national level politicians argue that some degree of coop could be tried.

 

It is probably reasonably safe to assume that both C and L would vanish from the blue block if that happened.

Not sure about KD in this context.

 

 

Anyway, guess that come Monday late afternoon, some more news should be available.

 

 

 

[anon537687643]

The liberal socialist parties have failed ! Hope the Swedish Democrat party stay strong ! Visited Sweden 2 years ago and shocked at how much it had changed from a Scandanavian country to a failed multi culture of violence and disorder


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[bert bloggs]

7 minutes ago, markaoffy said:

The liberal socialist parties have failed ! Hope the Swedish Democrat party stay strong ! Visited Sweden 2 years ago and shocked at how much it had changed from a Scandanavian country to a failed multi culture of violence and disorder


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As have many western country's, A Thai friend has just come back from Rome and said that she will never go again , Its not the country she used to know ,overun by immigrants , , as are most western cities .

[melvinmelvin]

58 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

As far as I have gathered from Swedish MSM:

 

The KD, Christian Democrats, led by Ms Thor is ready to form a blue minority government with M.

 

Centre and Liberal have so far said no join such an effort. 

The reason given is that they do not want to be part of a weak government and constantly be under pressure

to try out coop with SD.

 

So far coop with SD is considered a big no-no at the national level.

 

M, Mr Kristersson has on occasions said that he might be willing to try and form a minority M government alone.

 

Within the Liberal party, there has been some development. As time flies an increasing number of members

argue that entering a minority blue government with C and M and KD might be tried.

 

It seems C is still not keen on this.

 

Within M and increasing number of national level politicians argue that some degree of coop could be tried.

 

It is probably reasonably safe to assume that both C and L would vanish from the blue block if that happened.

Not sure about KD in this context.

 

 

Anyway, guess that come Monday late afternoon, some more news should be available.

 

 

 

Oops, just detected a grave mistake in the above text. Sorry.

 

The sentence Within M and increasing number of national level politicians argue that some degree of coop could be tried.

 

Should of course read

Within M an increasing number of national level politicians argue that some degree of coop with SD could be tried.

 

 

[bristolboy]

21 minutes ago, markaoffy said:

The liberal socialist parties have failed ! Hope the Swedish Democrat party stay strong ! Visited Sweden 2 years ago and shocked at how much it had changed from a Scandanavian country to a failed multi culture of violence and disorder


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I know what you mean. Take Malmo that much featured city because of its high population of immigrants and associated crime. It's got a homicide rate of 3.4 per 100,000. That's 2/3 of the average homicide rate for the USA. Shocking!

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/WP0KG/the-crime-situation-in-sweden-compared-to-the-us-in-4-charts

[the guest]

Stefan Lofven is a fool who let the country go to ruins by importing so many immigrants without first asking the people. The consequences which are now only being realized is increased crime on the street, loss of liberties and loss of quality of life in Sweden. No wonder the far-right increased their presence in the political arena by getting more votes, it's not rocket-science.

Sweden will be the canary in the mine if this carries-on it will be overrun, and the system that generations have worked so hard to keep, will totally collapse. Pensions are getting smaller and the time to retire is getting longer, lack of suitable housing for their own people, and the pot where everybody knew they could rely on is getting smaller and smaller.

 

Good luck Sweden, I think your going to need it !

[dick dasterdly]

3 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

As far as I have gathered from Swedish MSM:

 

The KD, Christian Democrats, led by Ms Thor is ready to form a blue minority government with M.

 

Centre and Liberal have so far said no join such an effort. 

The reason given is that they do not want to be part of a weak government and constantly be under pressure

to try out coop with SD.

 

So far coop with SD is considered a big no-no at the national level.

 

M, Mr Kristersson has on occasions said that he might be willing to try and form a minority M government alone.

 

Within the Liberal party, there has been some development. As time flies an increasing number of members

argue that entering a minority blue government with C and M and KD might be tried.

 

It seems C is still not keen on this.

 

Within M and increasing number of national level politicians argue that some degree of coop could be tried.

 

It is probably reasonably safe to assume that both C and L would vanish from the blue block if that happened.

Not sure about KD in this context.

 

 

Anyway, guess that come Monday late afternoon, some more news should be available.

 

 

 

Thanks again MM for the updates.

[ivor bigun]

As have many western country's, A Thai friend has just come back from Rome and said that she will never go again , Its not the country she used to know ,overun by immigrants , , as are most western cities .

I know someone who has just come back from Paris,they reckon that in the 10 years since they were last there its become a cesspit full of immegrants sleeping rough and stealing,she said they would never return,thought London was bad ,but not yet as bad.

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[simple1]

10 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

I know someone who has just come back from Paris,they reckon that in the 10 years since they were last there its become a cesspit full of immegrants sleeping rough and stealing,she said they would never return,thought London was bad ,but not yet as bad.

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Nonsense

[ivor bigun]

Nonsense

Well you write enough simple 1

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