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27 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Eventually, too complicated to go in to here but related to immigration's inability to recognise the various banks foreign transfer coding systems (Which apparently they had been told about twice in the previous month).

I was told it was OK, expected otherwise, and was right and had options available.

Did you provide the embassy letter as well as that is required for monthly transfers.

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Eventually, too complicated to go in to here but related to immigration's inability to recognise the various banks foreign transfer coding systems (Which apparently they had been told about twice in the previous month).

I was told it was OK, expected otherwise, and was right and had options available.

At my bank the official added a note to the letter stating that TRF is for International Transfer.

 

He said immigration knows this but will pretend they don't.  

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I went to CM IMM yesterday, Thursday, for my retirement extension.  I had tried to get a queue number the day before, Wednesday around 10:00, but I was politely denied as they were overflowing with people and were accepting no more.  I was advised to return the next day before 7:00  

 

Here are the details of my experience which I'm offering in hopes that it may assist others who follow.

 

I arrived at 6:20 with plenty of parking available, found about 25 people already there inside, and was ushered to a seat that represented my place in the queue by a woman in street clothes who took charge of keeping order.  She was strict but friendly, kept an eagle eye on the door, and assured that every arrival took their appropriate place in the queue.  IO's showed up and started checking documents and handing out queue numbers around 7:00. We were herded into the line-up for queue numbers by our "minder."  Several people entered the building while the line-up was taking place and tried to cut in line.  They were spied by "minder," appropriately chastised, and shown to their appropriate place at the end of the line; much to the appreciation of all of us who had arrived earlier!

 

I drew Queue #R6 for the retirement extension.  The IO at counter #6 arrived around 7:40 and began calling queue numbers around 8:00.  My number was called at 9:10.  I used the "800K in the bank" method this year.     I deposited the funds into my own account, not a joint account, 3 months ahead of time.  (Although I understand they accept two months ahead as being ok, I'm not one to take any chances!)  I had used the income method with embassy letter for the past five years.

Here's what I submitted:

-Application form TM7.

-A 4cmx6cm passport photo with a white background.

-A copy of every page in my passport that had information or a stamp on it, as requested.

-The "Bank Letter" I obtained from Bangkok Bank the day before. (it's valid for 7 days according to CM IMM)

-A Bank statement showing all activity in the account for the past 6 months.

-A copy of every page of my passbook which I updated on my way to CM IMM early, very early, in the morning.

-A copy of my lease.

-A copy of my last 90 day report

-A copy of my TM30.

I signed each and every page using a blue ink pen.

I was forty-three days ahead of the expiration of my previous retirement extension.

 

The IO checked every page, stamped the extension into my passport, took my picture and then my 1900 Baht, and asked me to be seated while waiting for the return of my passport.  I asked how long it might take to get it returned and he answered, "30 Minutes or sooner!"  I had it back in my hand with the cash receipt by 9:30.

 

I went across the street to get a copy of the new permission to stay stamp and returned for my re-entry permit.

 

I presented my documents to the queue assigner who checked them over and handed me queue number RE17 for the re-entry permit  I was the next in line as RE16 had just been called.  Two minutes later I handed over my passport and documents for the multiple re-entry permit, paid my 3800 Baht, took a seat and waited for five minutes to get my passport and cash receipt back in my hand.

 

Done and dusted by 9:50.  A far cry from the absurdly painful experience at Promenada last year. 

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Thank you for the "document-by-document" report. A careful report like yours from time to time is useful to stay up-to-date.

 

There was one surprise in it for me:

 

-A copy of every page in my passport that had information or a stamp on it, as requested.  

 

Over the years I have been asked for copies of pages with past extension.! Previous extensions, yes; every page, no. My new passport has the transfer page, but there is no detail of previous activity except for notation of my original entry and the stamps noting the change from Non-OA to NON-RE visa class.  There has been more than five years worth of action since changing to the new passport, but I've not been asked for the subsequent pages recording every action ONLY (and this is as of

late June)  copies of the pages noting previous extensions.  For those doing a lot of traveling in and out of Thailand, quite a number of pages could result over the years if every page were needed.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Mapguy said:

Thank you for the "document-by-document" report. A careful report like yours from time to time is useful to stay up-to-date.

 

There was one surprise in it for me:

 

-A copy of every page in my passport that had information or a stamp on it, as requested.  

 

Over the years I have been asked for copies of pages with past extension.! Previous extensions, yes; every page, no. My new passport has the transfer page, but there is no detail of previous activity except for notation of my original entry and the stamps noting the change from Non-OA to NON-RE visa class.  There has been more than five years worth of action since changing to the new passport, but I've not been asked for the subsequent pages recording every action ONLY (and this is as of

late June)  copies of the pages noting previous extensions.  For those doing a lot of traveling in and out of Thailand, quite a number of pages could result over the years if every page were needed.

 

 

I know, right?!

The instruction sheet they handed out specifically asked for every page so....I obliged!

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You are correct.  The disconnect is in the specificity and clarity of the instructions.  They mean pages with extension information. Now, if you and I, English speakers, were trying to say what we mean, especially with such detail, in Thai how successful would we be ?!  I was simply trying to clarify what is really expected.

 

One of the continuing problems, generally, is that there is a disconnect in translation, which should be expected.  The unfortunate aspect is that too many foreigners lambast their hosts, calling them ignorant, etc.  Well, people might learn not to be so critical, as in --- as GBS put it (sort of) -- "Why can't the English teach their children how to speak....?!"  (True, he didn't mean exactly the same!) So, why should the Thais........?

 

Shouldn't we remember where we are?

 

Anyway, photocopies are cheap!  Have at it!

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16 minutes ago, Mapguy said:

"Why can't the English teach their children how to speak....?!"  (True, he didn't mean exactly the same!) So, why should the Thais........?

Shouldn't we remember where we are?

I've always given them a copy of every page, that way there's less room for a mistake. Yes, I know, I should try harder. I certainly don't criticize Thai people for not having a perfect grasp of English except when they drag people into court and use it as an excuse to shove the evidence under the table and hijack my wallet. Well, not me so far, but two people close to me. I also learned from such experiences to compile and organize ALL the evidence at the first hearing, because that will be the last opportunity for the next five years, not that they would have read it anyway whether in English or Thai. I've never had any complaints for overdoing it, though, I have a terrific knack for being ignored.

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On 9/13/2019 at 5:24 AM, Mapguy said:

There was one surprise in it for me:

 

-A copy of every page in my passport that had information or a stamp on it, as requested.  

It seems to vary year to year and officer to officer with respect to what documents they want for an extension based on retirement.  While most years they don't ask me for a signed copy of my passport page showing the original Non-O, a few times they've asked for a signed copy of that (which makes some sense as all annual extensions are based on that original Non-O).  A couple of years back, I presented all the normal documents and then the officer asked for a signed copy of every single filled-out page of my passport including pages with stamps from other countries (and the officer was rather surprised when I simply reached into my folder and provided same).

 

The safe thing, it seems, is to take along with you a complete signed copy of everything in your passport just in case the given officer requests it.  

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Really can't argue with that.  But I still have to report that it has not varied from year to year or from officer to officer with me.  Yes, there are exceptions; the TM30 business, for example.  Guess I have been fortunate.

 

All in all, remember that the Immigration Officer reviewing the file can ask for anything he or she wants.  That can be frustrating and confusing in reports on ThaiVisa since experiences do vary and the reports are often not complete.

 

I sometimes wonder --- and this is not a criticism of you, CMBob ---  if how expats approach the situation affects the outcome. To be prepared with necessary copies is not a bad idea, if you feel comfortable doing that. Otherwise, what about attitude, dress and appearance?  Might those make a difference sometimes? Perhaps. I have found individual officers basically professional and pleasant.

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I went last December to apply for my one-year retirement extension.  Was told by on IO lady how well dressed i was that morning. She liked my pink striped shirt, collared and well-pressed.

But not my shirt, nor my shiny shoes and body perfume, had any effect on my application, since she gave me only 30 days.

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40 minutes ago, chingmai331 said:

I went last December to apply for my one-year retirement extension.  Was told by on IO lady how well dressed i was that morning. She liked my pink striped shirt, collared and well-pressed. But not my shirt, nor my shiny shoes and body perfume, had any effect on my application, since she gave me only 30 days.

A passport, proof of income, etc? That might help.

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11 hours ago, CMBob said:

It seems to vary year to year and officer to officer with respect to what documents they want for an extension based on retirement.  While most years they don't ask me for a signed copy of my passport page showing the original Non-O, a few times they've asked for a signed copy of that (which makes some sense as all annual extensions are based on that original Non-O).  A couple of years back, I presented all the normal documents and then the officer asked for a signed copy of every single filled-out page of my passport including pages with stamps from other countries (and the officer was rather surprised when I simply reached into my folder and provided same).

 

The safe thing, it seems, is to take along with you a complete signed copy of everything in your passport just in case the given officer requests it.  

In follow up to my original post......

Heres a copy of the page that CM IMM handed to me last week when I asked what was needed for a Retirement Extension.

 

Note #3.

 

Since I take these things quite literally I obliged with every page of my passport.  Others might choose another path and obtain the same outcome I did.  Others may not be so, shall we say, lucky.

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