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Went back this morning arriving at 06:45 to find Imm. open, all seats taken, it weirdly quiet and dark, with no-one at the desk, so what to do? A guy sitting down waved me towards the left, which was the back of the queue. At about 07:00 the seated queue changed to a standing line, with the usual jumping by the last few guys in. I was eventually given F2 with 90 days starting first, and all others serving from 07:40. We were seen at 08:10 and finished in 30 minutes, apart from needing to make a transfer into my account and update the book, which the wife did while I waited for my passport. Obviously a 22 hour old bank letter is not good enough. We left at 09:00.

 

The extra focus on finances for "Thai Wife" extensions is because they are getting many ex-retirement guys using 40K per month so they are insisting on the overseas transfers evidence, despite the rules not stating this. The first couple failed on finances and the 2 couples following us (both Asian husbands) were rejected quite quickly.
 

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Attached is procedure for 90 day online reporting. Again, most of us have no trouble with this, but there are those who do. Be sure to do it at least 7 days before due date and less than 15 days, best during working hours and non holidays. It doesn't hurt to give it a test anytime since if it is going to fail it will do so on the first page of inputs and you can still abort on the 2nd page. There are also a few who simply cannot do online, possibly because they changed passport numbers since the last arrival card, we aren't sure. Included is the weblink for skipping steps one and two and the immigration home page for directly going to the 90 day online form which is HERE for your convenience: http://bit.ly/2J4tMB8
 

90DayInstructions.pdf

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90 day online today tried 3 times with 2 browsers and failed.

4th try 15 minutes later worked.

So try a few times at different times before tossing it in. Better than a trip to the po or io.


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Just happened to be chatting with the manager of a well known visa service and the insurance subject came up as a result of phone call rec'd.  Seems they interpret the new rules as to apply for all retirement extensions.

 

Interesting times ahead for those with renewals due next month. 

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Just happened to be chatting with the manager of a well known visa service and the insurance subject came up as a result of phone call rec'd.  Seems they interpret the new rules as to apply for all retirement extensions.
 


Those guys often make things seem more difficult than they are. Makes more business.

He or his buddy probably just happen to sell insurance.


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my wife was told by a friend works there 

the money in bank for retirement and married was enough 

only for other visas that have no bond in bank/ for emergency's  cheers allan

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On 10/15/2019 at 6:55 PM, Shouldhaveknownbetter said:

Need some help please.  I went to the visa agent to get an extension of my retirement visa.  I brought a printout of my Bangkok bank account showing all my international transfers.  The agent said the printout was not enough and I needed a bank letter and a Social Security letter.  I went to my Bangkok Bank in Maejo and they told me they do not give bank letters as requested by immigration they do not have the program.  Question to members, what Bangkok Branch did you use to get that letter?

No problem for the past eleven years at BBL Nong Hoi. They have a  template pro forma letter to which they add my details and print it off.  But do not forget the cream cake now, a little goes an awfully long way !

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2 hours ago, McTavish said:

Just happened to be chatting with the manager of a well known visa service and the insurance subject came up as a result of phone call rec'd.  Seems they interpret the new rules as to apply for all retirement extensions.

Don't believe it.

 

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I didn't believe it either but a read thru of the law could be interpreted as including all extensions.  Those BMs due for extension next month will be able to report their experience.  I'm hopeful of a good outcome.

 

The lady I was chatting with on an unrelated matter does not sell insurance and is the principal of a long established business.  If it were anyone less qualified I would not be reporting this chat.

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3 hours ago, McTavish said:

I didn't believe it either but a read thru of the law could be interpreted as including all extensions. 

Section (6), of the relatively new police order, the only part that has any reference at all to health insurance, states:  "Only for an alien, who has been granted Non-Immigrant Visa Class O-A, must buy a Thai health insurance online..."    

 

The language is fairly clear to me but perhaps you might advise as to how one can interpret the language in the police order to say/suggest/imply that the long-stay health insurance is a requirement for anybody who will obtain any annual extension.  

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After receiving my retirement extension, I stopped over at the form basket counter to pick up a TM8 reentry form.

There was one basket,clearly marked for insurance requirements for “Non O A visa” It then stated something to the effect; ‘this visa is applied for and received in country of origin’ – Sorry if I did not get the exact working. BUT NO DOUBT about what it was, and who needed it (not the non o extenders). Chaing Mai Immigration Thursday 10/17.

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This should be interesting for Hubby and me.  Over a decade ago we both applied for O-A visas while still in the U.S., sending our documents to the Chicago Thai General Consulate in the same envelope, but made the mistake of including our marriage certificate and documents for a joint U.S. bank account that was well in excess of 1,600,000 baht. 

 

Our passports were returned just days before we planned to leave for Thailand, so there wasn't time to challenge what was granted -- Hubby received an O-A visa, but I received a one-year multi-entry O visa, with each entry stamped for a 90-day permission to stay.  Clearly, I was regarded as a "dependent".  

 

Eventually, I applied for my own retirement extension and we manage our retirement extensions independently now.

 

So, does this mean that Hubby will have to show proof of health insurance, but I won't?  Incidentally, he just did his annual extension about 10 days ago.  It expires on November 15, but he applied early and nothing was said about insurance required since his expiration is after October 31.  He has 800,000 baht in a Thai bank as his financial proof, so maybe that had some bearing.

 

My annual extension is due in mid-February and I hope they have all this sorted by then.  Incidentally, I have a monthly income in excess of 65,000 baht coming into a Thai bank, so I don't know if that will make difference in wanting proof of insurance, since I can't show a cash reserve in Thailand the way that Hubby can. 

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This should be interesting for Hubby and me.  Over a decade ago we both applied for O-A visas while still in the U.S., sending our documents to the Chicago Thai General Consulate in the same envelope, but made the mistake of including our marriage certificate and documents for a joint U.S. bank account that was well in excess of 1,600,000 baht. 
 
Our passports were returned just days before we planned to leave for Thailand, so there wasn't time to challenge what was granted -- Hubby received an O-A visa, but I received a one-year multi-entry O visa, with each entry stamped for a 90-day permission to stay.  Clearly, I was regarded as a "dependent".  
 
Eventually, I applied for my own retirement extension and we manage our retirement extensions independently now.
 
So, does this mean that Hubby will have to show proof of health insurance, but I won't?  Incidentally, he just did his annual extension about 10 days ago.  It expires on November 15, but he applied early and nothing was said about insurance required since his expiration is after October 31.  He has 800,000 baht in a Thai bank as his financial proof, so maybe that had some bearing.
 
My annual extension is due in mid-February and I hope they have all this sorted by then.  Incidentally, I have a monthly income in excess of 65,000 baht coming into a Thai bank, so I don't know if that will make difference in wanting proof of insurance, since I can't show a cash reserve in Thailand the way that Hubby can. 
So you both have Non O one year extensions?

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16 hours ago, NancyL said:

.....So, does this mean that Hubby will have to show proof of health insurance, but I won't?  Incidentally, he just did his annual extension about 10 days ago.  It expires on November 15, but he applied early and nothing was said about insurance required since his expiration is after October 31.  He has 800,000 baht in a Thai bank as his financial proof, so maybe that had some bearing.

 

My annual extension is due in mid-February and I hope they have all this sorted by then.  Incidentally, I have a monthly income in excess of 65,000 baht coming into a Thai bank, so I don't know if that will make difference in wanting proof of insurance, since I can't show a cash reserve in Thailand the way that Hubby can. 

So far, the only health insurance requirement that's surfaced is one enforced by Thai embassies/consulates in one's home country....and, under the language of the police order, it's only to be applied to people who obtain an O-A Visa in their home country after October 31, 2019.  Unless that changes, I don't think either you or hubby have any concerns.

[Some assert that there is one dicey area....where somebody, let's say, obtained an O-A Visa in their home country on October 15, 2019, but didn't first enter the country until after October 31, 2019; however, I personally don't buy that as those people weren't required to have the insurance when they got their O-A Visas and surely airport immigration will only see a proper O-A Visa in the passport and will stamp them in for their first year.]

 

As far as I'm concerned, the only worry we (you, hubby, myself, and many others) might have in the future is if/when Thai authorities apply a health insurance requirement to those obtaining annual extensions in-country.  So far, there's no rule saying that will happen.

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